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post #11 of 23 Old 12-02-2008, 10:50 PM Thread Starter
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Hmmm well from what I can read on the light bulb it says 20watt T8. It also says it has 1470 lumen if that helps any. Not sure on what type of flourescent but it is a flourescent. (Remember this is ALL new to me) I am not sure what kind of fertilizer it is, I could post a picture of what is left in the bag. No I haven't added salt and if by dimensions you mean tank measurements they are :30" long (Side to Side), 12" deep (From front to back) and 18" tall (Top to bottom). I don't know if I did that right but there it is.

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post #12 of 23 Old 12-03-2008, 12:47 AM
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That's fluorite if I remember my substrates correctly. Good stuff for plants from what I have read and heard. Fluorite is not a fertilizer, it is a substrate addative or used as a substrate all by itself.

The lighting is not enough. You need at least 50 to grow most standard aquarium plants so that you can actually notice it.

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Your lighting now doesn't even come to low lighting. You want somewhere between moderate and high for best growth without CO2. High and very high, you will really want to consider pressurized CO2 although I have known a couple members who have done a 30-40 gallon with DIY. If you go DIY, I would use 4 two liter bottles staggered every week changing 2 out each week. This makes sure that you have 2 going full force when you change one out. Check valves will assist with constant pressure and help prevent back feed out of the tank. There is an article on here for setting one up in the plant section and another couple in the DIY section.

Hang in there, we will get you the information you need to get your plants to grow. It took me 6 months to get mine to grow but when they did they simply grew like weeds.

I think it is also time for you to educate your LFS as they obviously don't know much about plants or at least the one you have dealt with doesn't.

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post #13 of 23 Old 12-03-2008, 01:44 AM
sometimes, if ur lfs' water conditions are drastically diffrent from urs, the shock will destroy ur plants. Try getting a clean bucket and accliamting ur plants as if u would fish. I had plants from a petsmart who had water taht was 6.8 and my water at home is 8.1 and all my plants died when i dunked them into the tank. However, i accimated them for like 2 days in a bucket and now they are growing fine.
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post #14 of 23 Old 12-03-2008, 05:46 AM
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post #15 of 23 Old 12-03-2008, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fish_4_all View Post
Next, it doesn't matter what your substrate is. All you need is a good 2 inches and your plants will grow in it. I have river run gravel and I can grow anything short of Hemianthus callitricoides (HC) in my gravel.
I was going to say what about HC and Pogostomen Helferi ("Downoi"). Hehe

If you have High lighting, and Co2, you might aswell go for the full package and seal it with Eco-complete, or unsterilized garden soil(Garden soil being the better option, although it will cloud your tank if disturbed).

Gravel does not help grow your plants further than giving them somewhere to root. In nature, plants have soil as their substrate in good growing conditions(eg. Amazonia lakes). This substrate offers nutrients available to the plants that we as planted tank keepers, could never match(Unless actually using soil ourselves, which I do not reccomend to anyone beginner/intermediary and most advanced plant keepers, simply because it requires 100% understanding of how soil will work for your plants, and the pros and cons of it.)

Also SinCrisis, Aquatic plants prefer low ph of around 6.0-6.5, and ph that is acidic, generally alters the carbonate water hardness to a water quality more desireable for plants. Anything up to around 7.4-7.5 can be withstood by plants when "simply dunking them in the water"

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post #16 of 23 Old 12-03-2008, 11:05 AM Thread Starter
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Well this could be my mistake tank. I am thinking of getting an 80 gallon so whatever you can tell me to help make it a nice tank i can always fix in my next one. BTW how do you do water changes if you cannot disturb the gravel? I uaully center my attention on the nasty gravel when doing the change. I am not sure WHAT kind of CO2 I bought, it makes bubbles and has a little canister with sugar, activators, stabalizers, and water. It has been on all night but doesnt seem to be working. Is there suppossed to be a constant flow of bubbles because there DEFINATLEY isn't. I will go in a couple of days to get a light that is at least 70 watts. I had one before that was 20watts called sun glo and it burnt all of my plants so I hope the 70 watts won't kill the few I do have
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post #17 of 23 Old 12-04-2008, 03:29 AM
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Lol, plants don't get burnt under a light that only outputs 20W. It would have to be extremely high lighting to burn plants out(20-30W per gallon). The browning of the leaves, would have been an iron deficiency.
I reccomend getting a proper pressuized Co2 system, although it costs around $200-$250 (US) it is well worth it in the long run for the stability it offers your tank. Addition of Co2 in any tank, will change your water parameters, and the more Co2, you will find greater changes in your water quality. The pH will lower as more Co2 is added, and the waters carbonate hardness will also decrease, to suit acidic conditions. Acidic conditions are quite more beneficial to aquatic plants than alkaline conditions are (excluding plants like amazon swords, etc.).

If you have Eco-complete, or decide to use soil(if you do, do your research fully on it first, may I reccomend the book "The ecology of the planted aquarium" by Diana Walstad. Also, don't reccomend soil to anyone, as it will only destroy your aquarium if it is not understood properly.)

Get lights that are closest to 6700K as possible, and your going to want at least 2 tubes on any planted aquarium.

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post #18 of 23 Old 12-04-2008, 11:00 AM
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Well, I hope you get your lighting sorted out, I just had a massive mess in two of my tanks with hornwort dying. It basically shredded. My largest tank is 29g, and I have the hood that came with the kit, and a 20watt bulb. What kind of light fixture do you have? Mine states that I can't have more than a 20 watt bulb. I am also at my wits' end trying to keep plants alive. The only thing thriving is java moss and java fern.
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post #19 of 23 Old 12-04-2008, 12:20 PM Thread Starter
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I am not sure the lighting thing on this 33 gallon seems to only fit one tube. I doesn't say anything on the tank about what I can and cannot use. The light I am using right now IS 6700k so that is confusing me. Right now I just have a bubbling CO2 but it isn't even working right *sigh*. I am going to be buying an 80 gallon in a couple weeks for 250$ so maybe I can start it right with that one. Money is no problem I am working 3 jobs that pay fine so 200$ is nothing for something to make a pretty tank in my room.
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post #20 of 23 Old 12-04-2008, 06:48 PM
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WOW, I wish I could say that lol. Anyway just a suggestion, I would stick with the 33 for now. Sure the 80 gallon tank is $250, but then you will want a 260 watt light that will set you back another $250, and DIY CO2 is out of the question so another $250 for the high tech setup. Plus enough eco-complete, plants, filters your looking at well over a grand total. And wouldent that be a shame it it still didnt work.

with the 33 gallon just get a good light, somthing like this T-5 Aquarium Lighting: Nova Extreme T-5 Fixtures w/Lunar Lights and some sort of CO2, if you can spend the money to get the pressurised setup than do it, if not than I have had sucess with the DIY. Then get some root tabs and try again. then once you have got it down and learn what to do, go for the 80 gallon.

It took me 6 months of trial and error before I could get plants to survive, and another 6 months to figure out how to make them grow. If you just get the 80 gallon I am confedent you will be disapointed again because a bigger tank wont make them grow better.
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