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Old 04-24-2012, 10:35 PM   #1
 
New plants problem

Hey all. I just started my first natural aquarium and I am having a couple of problems. I have done a lot of reading on here, other forums, and how to's along with watching a ton of videos (this stuff gets addicting doesn't it?).

Here are my tank stats before we get started on the problems:

35 gallon hex front 22w 24 H 22L
Aquaclear 70
2 15w 6500k bulbs
8 lb sand and 46 lbs of flourite
1 large piece mopani driftwood (boiled)
2 large rocks (vinegar test done, and boiled)
plants (java fern, anubias nana, cobomba, water sprite, anacharis, crypt wendii micro sword

Water:
PH 7.6
GH 10
KH 10
temp 80

I have been adding ammonia to the tank as it gets back down to zero. Have not tested for nitrite yet but I am sure it has to be high. Bacteria seems to be forming very fast since I am already getting rid of 5ppm in less than 2 days. I used toprite to get rid of the chlorine. I have added 3 doses of seacham comprehensive, 2 doses of iron, and a daily dose of excel.

Here is my problem. The cobomba is growing very well, the java fern looks good, the micro sword and water sprite looks and anubias look ok. The crypt and anachris looks like it is dying.

I have just changed about 1/4 of my water tonight to bring down the hardness which was at 12 before. I used some water softener water. I am not sure what is going on. I realize that I have low light for this deep of a tank with only about 1w per gallon of water. I have just enough money left to buy fish in a few weeks, so the lights probably will not be changing. Any ideas for me?

I will try to get some pics up when I figure out how to post them.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:54 PM   #2
 








I forgot to mention that I now have around 20 very small snails in the tank. They must have made the ride on the plants I bought.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:26 AM   #3
 
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I would stop using both the Iron supplement and the Excel. Flourish Comprehensive has pretty much everything you need in the right proportions, extra Iron will not help. I would also cut the Flourish down to once a week to start.

You have a dual T8 fixture it looks like? That should be fine without any carbon supplements. You may have difficulty with the stem plants as most are higher light requiring, but they should still grow some. They might get bare stems at the base, but otherwise should still grow.

Crypts are famous for 'melting' as it is called. If you look at them wrong they can melt ;) Any number of things can cause it, no way to know for sure which. A change in lighting, a change in water parameters, disturbing the roots, change in nutrients ... anything. They usually spring back though.

Micro Sword ... I've had this, have had no luck with it. It's still alive, but has not grown at all that I can tell in a couple months.

Java Fern and Anubias ... I can't really tell in your picture, but just wanted to mention that the rhizome (the rooty mass at the base) can not be buried in the substrate. It needs to be above the substrate. Usually they are tied to rocks or driftwood, but they can be placed directly on the substrate provided the rhizome is not buried.

Snails ... yep, pretty much inevitable with live plants. But not a bad thing either. They won't explode in numbers unless you provide the food for them to. So basically, don't over feed your fish. They'll break stuff down into forms bacteria can better make use of, and provide nutrients for the plants. If you have too many for your taste, put a piece of vegetable in like lettuce or cucumber at night. Then in the morning before the lights turn on remove it, it should have several snails on it.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:30 AM   #4
 
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Geomancer has mentioned several points and I concur. I will just add a few.

Light, also not sure if this is fluorescent tubes or CFL bulbs? If tubes, fine; if CFL bulbs I would increase wattage.

Agree on stopping iron and Excel as Geo said, the balance with the light will not be improved, and excess iron is dangerous and I believe i see some evidence of that. Iron is a micro-nutrient, and Flourish Comprehensive contains all nutrients in proportion to each other which is important, so only use that.

Temperature is too high for Anacharis, that will not last; this is a cool water plant, so either remove it or reduce the temp. No mention is made of intended fish, so if the high temp is needed for them this plant should be taken out. But 80F is too warm for most tropical fish, except for a few species, so depending upon the fish the temp should probably be reduced anyway.

At this point I'll mention our profiles, second tab from the left in the blue bar across the top of the page. Many fish and some plants are included. If the name in the profile is used identically in a post it will shade as some did here and you can click the name for the profile. Temperature ranges are given for all species.

Water hardness. Can you explain what is happening here? What is the GH out of the tap (assuming tap is the source water)? I want to see if this is altering in the tank, it shouldn't unless something is targeting it. The difference between 10 and 12 dGH is not going to affect these plants, but fluctuating GH and pH is stressful on fish, so I'd like to pursue this. Also, water from a house softener is not always good for fish; many add salt and this is bad for plants and fish. You can read more on the hardness/pH issue here:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-73276/

Last, welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

Byron.

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Old 04-25-2012, 03:58 PM   #5
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You're doing a fishless cycle with pure ammonia correct? How long have you been doing it? Have you noticed drops in ph as well?
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:00 PM   #6
 
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Crypt wendtii usually doesn't melt... I know this goes against many other 'Gurus' here, but with that many plants, I'd do a live cycle... Stem plants would suck up the ammonia pretty fast, and the lack of NPKs could inhibit your plants quickly (especially since elodea is extremely fast growing, and the one suffering).

What type of Crypt is it? I've never had a Wendtii melt, but I suppose it's possible.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:01 PM   #7
 
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You're doing a fishless cycle with pure ammonia correct? How long have you been doing it? Have you noticed drops in ph as well?
Thank you, I had missed that point. Stop the ammonia. There is sufficient nitrogen (ammonium/nitrate) in Flourish for the present as the plants are establishing.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:43 PM   #8
 
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Not to hijack your thread or anything but you guys mentioned not dosing iron with comp. What if you have a plant like ludwiga and like to keep the redness?

To my understanding it requires additional iron supp
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:46 PM   #9
 
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Not to hijack your thread or anything but you guys mentioned not dosing iron with comp. What if you have a plant like ludwiga and like to keep the redness?

To my understanding it requires additional iron supp

There are exceptions of course, but in general and certainly with the plants the OP has flourish comprehensive is sufficient.


I should clarify with the low tech approach and no Co2 this applies usually. With Co2 or brighter lights it's a different game.

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Old 04-25-2012, 08:15 PM   #10
 
Ok, I will try to answer the questions:

The temp is higher because the info i read on cycling a tank says the bacteria grows faster if the temp is higher. I have already turned it back down to 75. I started the ammonia last Friday, so only 5 days ago. This is a fishless cycle (my first one). I have not noticed a drop in PH, if anything it has went from 7.5 to 7.7.

The lighting is 2 flourescent 18" bulbs. I just found a large problem. I ordered the wrong bulbs. These are both 18000k bulbs. I was almost sure I ordered the right ones, but I guess not. I will have to fix this right away. Can someone suggest the right bulbs? Maybe HO's

The water out of my faucet is 12 KH and GH. The water out of the water softener is 1 GH and KH. I am hoping to mix them to get it at least down to 8, maybe lower. I would like 8 Panda Bards and 12 neon tetras.

Here is a link to the plants I bought

Aquatic Plants for Freshwater Aquariums: Aquarium Plant Pack - Standard
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