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Old 03-24-2013, 05:06 AM   #21
 
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In my opinion, yes. But remember that I mentioned earlier about the purplish hue of PG and I do not like that. While I have used all these tubes, I have not had PG and LG together over the same tank, so I can't say how much of an effect the PG might have. I would stay with two LG.

However, now that I know the tank specs, you could have a look in hardware-type stores for "daylight" tubes made by GE, Phillips or Sylvania. All three make some sort of "daylight" tube having a Kelvin of 6500K. I have used all three, and presently have GE and Phillips combined with LG on my three dual-tube tanks. The LG is more intense light, so you are getting that benefit; but otherwise they are near-identical. To save some money, one LG and one GE is an option. I do not think the difference would be significant for the "natural" method plants. I don't know if the GE, etc are available in 42-inch, perhaps not; so then I would say two LG.

Another good tube is the ZooMed series, and their UltraSun 6500K is almost identical to LG. In North America these are a tad less expensive, if that is a concern. Just make sure you get T8. The newer T5 tubes will not work in T8 fixtures [this applies to all tubes mentioned].
I can get ahold of 42 Inch, 38W Arcadia Lamps too. (However, if you recommend me using 2x LG, I will do that).
I'd rather use the best bulb for plants that I possibly can (So what do you personally think is better?), as I know T8's are not as bright at the more suitable T5 lights that I would need.


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However, now that I know the tank specs, you could have a look in hardware-type stores for "daylight" tubes made by GE, Phillips or Sylvania. All three make some sort of "daylight" tube having a Kelvin of 6500K
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Would this type of bulb be superior to the LG's for my plants?

(Sorry If you've already mentioned this. I only had a quick chance to read it this morning before I started work, so I'll be sure to come back and give it all a good read, maybe quote you on some more once I have finished work.

- Thanks once again.

Oh - There are also other Bulbs I could chose from, I've only had a quick look though.

http://www.seapets.co.uk/products/aq...-15w-18in.html

http://www.seapets.co.uk/products/aq...assica-8w.html

http://www.seapets.co.uk/products/aq...assica-8w.html

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Old 03-24-2013, 11:02 AM   #22
 
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once you get a chance to read the replies, i have answeres in my responses
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:56 PM   #23
 
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I can get ahold of 42 Inch, 38W Arcadia Lamps too. (However, if you recommend me using 2x LG, I will do that).
I'd rather use the best bulb for plants that I possibly can (So what do you personally think is better?), as I know T8's are not as bright at the more suitable T5 lights that I would need.
I am not familiar with the Arcadia brand, it seems to be in the UK [I've not seen it in Canada], but from a scan of the links I would suggest this is probably not suitable. Anytime you see emphasis on red and blue alone, like for the Aqua-Glo, it means less intense light.

T8 and T5 are quite different, and they need their own fixtures (the tubes are not interchangeable). T5 is available usually in HO (high output) which is roughly 1.5 times more intense than T8 in the same size and spectrum. While this may not seem like much, it is. Remembering the balanced issue, it is crucial to not have more light than all nutrients--including CO2. I tried a dual-tube T5 HO with 4-foot tubes over my 90g 4-foot tank and it was way too bright. I moved it to my 5-foot 115g thinking the additional tank length might help, but no; after a full week of using it, I took it back for a T8. The light intensity is simply too strong for my setup. If you use CO2 diffusion, this can work.

There is a NO (normal output) in T5, though this is not available everywhere (I can't get it in Canada). It is basically the same intensity as T8 in the same size/type. But T5 is more expensive, both for fixtures and tubes. This may change over time, especially as LED is now "the thing."

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Would this type of bulb be superior to the LG's for my plants?
This was referring to the GE and LG. I am not aware of any T8 tube better than Life-Glo. The ZooMed UltraSun is basically identical, and the less expensive GE, Phillips and Sylvania tubes are very close with respect to colour hue (the Kelvin) and spectrum. The real advantage to LG is the increased intensity. I have used this tube and a GE on one of my single-tube tanks, and the plants basically melted and died under the weaker GE. And this was over a period of 5 months. Upon replacing it with a LG again, the plants rebounded (those that were not completely dead) within a few weeks.

When we are dealing with dual-tube tanks, you have a bit more freedom. I have dual 4-foot T8 tubes over my 4-foot 70g and 90g and 5-foot 115g tanks. I have used a combo of one LG and one GE, one LG and one Phillips, and two Sylvania tubes, and plants grew fine no matter which. But here the intensity is not going to vary all that much.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:00 PM   #24
 
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once you get a chance to read the replies, i have answeres in my responses
I've given it a better read now that I have finished work, and I think I've covered everything I wanted to ask in my last quotation in the post above this and your own last post.

:)

I'd just like to know which lights would be better, the LG ones, or the Arcadia ones.
Both are around the same price, although I'm not too bothered about spending a little more money on lighting if it will give me a better chance at maintaining healthy looking plants and a better environment for my fish.

Basically, I don't mind spending money on things that will help me achieve a planted tank.
With the exception of Co2.
I just want to get off to the best start that I possibly can. And everyone's help is very much appreciated <3.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:08 PM   #25
 
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I am not familiar with the Arcadia brand, it seems to be in the UK [I've not seen it in Canada], but from a scan of the links I would suggest this is probably not suitable. Anytime you see emphasis on red and blue alone, like for the Aqua-Glo, it means less intense light.

T8 and T5 are quite different, and they need their own fixtures (the tubes are not interchangeable). T5 is available usually in HO (high output) which is roughly 1.5 times more intense than T8 in the same size and spectrum. While this may not seem like much, it is. Remembering the balanced issue, it is crucial to not have more light than all nutrients--including CO2. I tried a dual-tube T5 HO with 4-foot tubes over my 90g 4-foot tank and it was way too bright. I moved it to my 5-foot 115g thinking the additional tank length might help, but no; after a full week of using it, I took it back for a T8. The light intensity is simply too strong for my setup. If you use CO2 diffusion, this can work.

There is a NO (normal output) in T5, though this is not available everywhere (I can't get it in Canada). It is basically the same intensity as T8 in the same size/type. But T5 is more expensive, both for fixtures and tubes. This may change over time, especially as LED is now "the thing.
Ok, I’ll stick to the LG’s then!

And as for T5/T8. I knew they were different, I just always presumed that T5’s were superior to T8’s. Hah.

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This was referring to the GE and LG. I am not aware of any T8 tube better than Life-Glo. The ZooMed UltraSun is basically identical, and the less expensive GE, Phillips and Sylvania tubes are very close with respect to colour hue (the Kelvin) and spectrum. The real advantage to LG is the increased intensity. I have used this tube and a GE on one of my single-tube tanks, and the plants basically melted and died under the weaker GE. And this was over a period of 5 months. Upon replacing it with a LG again, the plants rebounded (those that were not completely dead) within a few weeks.

When we are dealing with dual-tube tanks, you have a bit more freedom. I have dual 4-foot T8 tubes over my 4-foot 70g and 90g and 5-foot 115g tanks. I have used a combo of one LG and one GE, one LG and one Phillips, and two Sylvania tubes, and plants grew fine no matter which. But here the intensity is not going to vary all that much.
I have a Duel bulb Canopy over my Tank at the moment (2x T8 'Slots'). So I’ll definitely get myself 2x LG’s now!


I just really wanted to get off to a good start, as I tried to do a planted tank previously, earlier on when I didn't know all too much about Aquariums on a whole, and it left a bad vibe for me concerning plants, to say the very least.
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