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Old 02-09-2013, 05:26 PM   #31
 
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The tabs I'm using are flourish tabs. Are those ok or are there better one's? I need to order more so if I should get something different let me know.

Also could snails be adding to my problems at all? I have at least 1/2 a dozen or more in my tank. They must have come on some of the plants I ordered recently
I use Flourish Tabs.

Snails are not the issue here. I assume these are the small ones, like pond or bladder snails. I have these, and Malaysian Livebearing Snails too. Hundreds in my tanks.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:01 PM   #32
 
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Read the profile of Echinodorus bleherae. It will answer on the flower, and will explain why this "species" is so variable. If you have questons after that, ask; I wrote the profile, so I would only be repeating all that here.



I'm not familiar with this filter, can you post a link to some data? But generally speaking, I would leave it if it is part of the filtration system.
AZOO CORPORATION

Foam Aquarium Biological Filters: Azoo Oxygen Plus Bio-Filters

I'm not sure what other type of filtration system I should need. I'm open to suggestions


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Yes, the Flourish Comp is likely necessary (you have very soft water, as I do, so plant nutrients have to be added) and unless overdosed it will not hurt plants. The issue with overdosing is that some nutrients in excess cause other nutrients to be deficient because of how the nutrient reacts in the plant. Which is why I am always recommending complete (comprehensive) fertilizers that are balanced.



I wouldn't think so. But as I mentioned, I had the same issue with swords with Flourite, which is the same type of substrate. I didn't use tabs because one should not have to with an enriched substrate. I don't know why this should be so, it is probably just coincidence.



You should not have substrate fish like corys and loaches with EC or Flourite substrates; the gravel is rough. I had issues with my corys and had to remove them. This is one reason why I was prepared to tear down this tank and reset with sand. Now I have a group of 12 Corydoras habrosus in this tank. Depending upon the intended fish, up to you about changing substrates.
Neons aren't substrate fish are they? I thought they stayed near the top of the tank?



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That will increase the ammonia/ammonium which is the major source of nitrogen. One planted tank person suggested to me that nitrogen deficiency was causing this. In my 70g I wouldn't have thought so. I do have a plant-only tank that is my Quarantine for new fish, and the plants do quite well in this, slower growth but still growing. Though I have no larger swords in this tank, and they are heavy feeders.
So if I"m reading this correctly it would be a good thing for me to get a few fish and see if it helps balance out the tank?

I really want my sword to do well. I'll change the substrate if I have to but for now I"ll stop with the tabs and see if that helps. maybe they are getting to many nutrients? Should I tie the to a rock and let them sit on the surface of the substrate for a bit and see if that helps?
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:48 AM   #33
 
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Read the profile of Echinodorus bleherae. It will answer on the flower, and will explain why this "species" is so variable. If you have questons after that, ask; I wrote the profile, so I would only be repeating all that here.
The first thing I noticed when reading that is my PH level currently is through the roof. It caps out on my regular PH test as well as my "high PH" scale. I tested my tap and my tap PH right now is capped on both scales as well. So no telling what the PH really is but I"m guessing over a 9. Is there anyway to lower this? I need it around a 7 for my plants any any fish.

I'll have to look around the forums to see if anyone is selling this plant. It's possible that it's not only my water but maybe the plant itself wasn't hardy?

I read in your article that it said they don't often actually flower under water but will above water. Do yours flower under water? Or do you keep the water level low enough that it can grow above water?

I'm going on vacation and will be gone for 2 weeks. We have some friends that are going to come "visit" the house when we are gone and water my other plants and fertilize my fish tank. It won't get water changes again until 2/23 though. If I need to get something shipped to my house to help lower the PH I can order it with amazon prime and have my friends treat the tank. I just have no idea how to lower PH. I also have no idea why the PH in my tap water is so high.

Would the temperature effect plants? Is there an ideal temp? Right now I believe it's set around 76

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Old 02-10-2013, 12:36 PM   #34
 
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Responses to the issues from the last two posts, in order.

Those filters are just basic sponge filters. Various manufacturers make them under different names, I have Hagen Elite and Hydro brands, but they are all the same principle, air is driven through the sponge and this pulls water into the sponge and up the return tube with the bubbles, and dirt is trapped in the sponge. No issues with these.

Neons are not substrate fish, but they remain in the lower half of the tank as they like shade. Substrate fish refers to fish that tend to remain on the substrate most of the time, like catfish (corys, pleco, whiptails, etc) and loaches. These can be bothered by sharp or rough substrates.

You have plants, so there is no reason not to get some fish.

On the pH, just so I'm clear: What is the GH, KH (alkalinity) and pH of the tap water? And the tank water is remaining close to this pH, correct? You need to know these numbers before considering any adjustment to pH as the GH and KH are connected. This article should explain it better:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-73276/

Temperature at 76F is fine for the plants, and the neons.

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Old 02-10-2013, 02:21 PM   #35
 
Gh of my tap is 4. Drops . Gh of my tank is 11 drops
Ph of my tap and tank is 9ph or higher ( my test kit caps at 8.8)

Kh no idea. I can test that in a few weeks when I get home


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Responses to the issues from the last two posts, in order.

Those filters are just basic sponge filters. Various manufacturers make them under different names, I have Hagen Elite and Hydro brands, but they are all the same principle, air is driven through the sponge and this pulls water into the sponge and up the return tube with the bubbles, and dirt is trapped in the sponge. No issues with these.

Neons are not substrate fish, but they remain in the lower half of the tank as they like shade. Substrate fish refers to fish that tend to remain on the substrate most of the time, like catfish (corys, pleco, whiptails, etc) and loaches. These can be bothered by sharp or rough substrates.

You have plants, so there is no reason not to get some fish.

On the pH, just so I'm clear: What is the GH, KH (alkalinity) and pH of the tap water? And the tank water is remaining close to this pH, correct? You need to know these numbers before considering any adjustment to pH as the GH and KH are connected. This article should explain it better:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-73276/

Temperature at 76F is fine for the plants, and the neons.

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Old 02-10-2013, 02:22 PM   #36
 
Sorry for the choppy answers. I'm on my iPhone.
Should I ever clean the sponge? Is that the only filtration I need ?
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:39 PM   #37
 
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Yes, rinse the sponge filters are each weekly water change.

If the GH of the tap water is 4 dGH [4 drops = 4 degrees, with the API test], and the tank water is 11 dGH, there must be something calcareous in the tank raising the GH. And this will push the pH even higher. This is not going to bode well for soft water fish like neons.

Do you know what is doing this? Gravel/sand of the substrate? Calcareous rocks? Shells, coral?

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Old 02-11-2013, 12:14 AM   #38
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thats quite a change...
Ive heard of eco complete bring up the water hardness and Ph...
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:59 PM   #39
 
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thats quite a change...
Ive heard of eco complete bring up the water hardness and Ph...
I have Eco complete as the gravel. I also have a big piece of driftwood bought at a local pet store years ago so that's not it.

Could it be the manzanita branches I have in there? I have some Christmas fern growing on it so it looks like a tree. I don't think these were prepped prior to putting them in the tank.

I can't think if anything elsi that it could be.

I did use some pond salt months ago. I can't remember why though. I'm wracking my brain as to why I was using it. It was prior to plants though. Should I do a 75 percent water change?

Sorry for any typos . I'm using my phone and autocorrect gets me everytime
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:12 AM   #40
 
i read swords are heavy root feeders and need root tabs if not planted in a dirted tank. mine were turning brown and most leaves got clipped off but two after adding root tabs ive noticed a large amount of new growth from both my swords.
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