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Old 01-06-2010, 08:05 PM   #21
 
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hm....both interesting points....I might just see if i can bite the bullet and get the All-Glass dual bulb for the aquarium.....my wife's only rule is that the new hood must continue to match the tank 'furniture'....which is black....

I also fear that the cheaper shop light may not look as great as the all-glass fixture does....I know most of those shop lights are a glossy aluminum, which makes them harder to paint....

I think this weekend I am going to buy gravel and the lighting set-up....and get all of that going and then add the plants possibly on sunday....

unless it is reccomended to do it all in one bang....

again....Angel an Byron I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate your advice through this new process!!

thank you all so much
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:53 PM   #22
 
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and WisFish too!!!!
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:00 PM   #23
 
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I can support her point there, you don't wanna have some mix-match that distracts you from the actual point- The fish

And I have to apologize, I must have went wrong somewhere understanding what you're trying to do; I'd not add the shop light alone, no, I'd built a wood "box" around it to hide it, otherwise if your wife is anywhat like me, I'd not like that neither (as you seen I build the whole hood and light plus matching stand for my 55g), so sorry for that and babbling up on a wrong solution there

There's no need you should rush any of that. Find all the stuff you LIKE and need first. Then built it as you git time, cycle the tank, add fish bit by bit.

First and foremost fish keeping should be a fun hobby - Not a 2nd stressful job
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:04 PM   #24
 
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I agree.....this weekend will be new hood and lights along a partial gravel swap....I don't wanna take the chance of diving into a minicycle....

i may just use the ole' mesh bag of gravel trick too!
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:57 PM   #25
 
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You can use this:
Fluorescent Aquarium Lighting: All-Glass Twin-Tube Black Strip Lights

Or this:

Fluorescent Aquarium Lighting: Triple Tube Strip Lights

I use the triple tube model on my 55gal. The twin tube uses 40watt bulbs while the triple tube uses 32watt. The difference between the two models is 80 watts vs 96. The T-8 bulbs at Menards (Home Depot equivalent in my area) are 32watt daylight bulbs from sylvania. They work out well.
Do the bulbs that the fixture (first one) comes with above good enough, or would one need to replace them with t-8's? I am looking for the right lighting for my 55 gallon which is deeper than the standard 55 gallon. I believe the first fixture you posted a link for said it comes with bulbs that are 8,000K. I do not know what that means in comparison to a T-8.

Thanks. :)

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Old 01-07-2010, 05:46 AM   #26
 
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they come with standard flourescent bulbs...they were gonna go right in the recycling bin......I think this weekend, as mentioned in your thread about lighting from money mitch I might go to lowes, home depot or even Walmart and see what they offer in the area of 48" dual tube lighting and pickup the cool blue or full spectrum bulbs (like byron mentioned in this post)

Being as yours is deeper than a standard 55G aquarium by 6" and is also wider by 6", I'm not sure if the lighting will penetrate to the bottom of the tank as it would on standard 55G....but this is a complete novice guess and is probably wrong....If you head out before this weekend to a store like lowes or HD....PM me and let me know what you find before I drop $100+ on a lighting set-up at my LFS Thanks!
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Old 01-07-2010, 10:35 AM   #27
 
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Do the bulbs that the fixture (first one) comes with above good enough, or would one need to replace them with t-8's? I am looking for the right lighting for my 55 gallon which is deeper than the standard 55 gallon. I believe the first fixture you posted a link for said it comes with bulbs that are 8,000K. I do not know what that means in comparison to a T-8.

Thanks. :)
The tubes that came with my two All Glass Fixtures were "aquarium" type, which means they are high in the red and blue but this makes the tank look purplish and the colours are not true of fish and plants. The light also seems less intense, though I've not examined the lumens on this. A full spectrum tube with blue, red and some green highlights creates a much more natural colour rendition, and replicates the mid-day sun.

T8 refers to the diameter of the tube, as does T12 and T5, so a T5 is narrower, then a T8, lastly the widest is the T12. K refers to the Kelvin, a measurement of the colour temperature of the light. A tube can be 6700K and be a T12 or T8 or T5; the colour of the light, meaning the colours of the spectrum that make it up and by which we see the colours of plants and fish, would be the same (sort of), but the light would be slightly different in intensity from tube to tube.

T8 tubes have a coating inside (the phosphors that "burn" creating the light) which provides a more intense light than the T12, so in theory a T8 40w 48-inch tube will produce slightly more intense light than a T12 40w 48-inch tube, provided the tubes have the same colour spectrum. T8 also have the advantage of doing this with less heat, and that means less energy, so a more "green friendly" tube.

The Kelvin is an indication of the spectrum or light emitted by the tube. But manufacturers can highligh the colours differently, so even tubes with identical K ratings can be slightly different in colour rendition. I always use the K rating, then the spectral graph that most put on the package to see how they use the colours.

While it is true that a tank deeper by six inches will have less light intensity at the substrate than one shallower, the difference would probably only be evident with certain "fussy" plants that might not fare as well as groundcovers. I have the same lighting over all three of my larger tanks, two 40w T8 tubes, same combo on each tank, and although the 115g is deeper by 6 inches than the 70g, I haven't seen any issue in 12 years.

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Old 01-07-2010, 11:03 AM   #28
 
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My impresion of the "K" value is more of an average color produced by the bulb or color appearance.

The "T" rating on a bulb is the size in relation to 1/8 of an inch. So a T8 bulb is 8/8 inches or 1 inch. A t12 is 12/8 inches or 1 1/2 inches. A T5 is 5/8 inches in diameter.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:26 PM   #29
 
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they come with standard flourescent bulbs...they were gonna go right in the recycling bin......I think this weekend, as mentioned in your thread about lighting from money mitch I might go to lowes, home depot or even Walmart and see what they offer in the area of 48" dual tube lighting and pickup the cool blue or full spectrum bulbs (like byron mentioned in this post)

Being as yours is deeper than a standard 55G aquarium by 6" and is also wider by 6", I'm not sure if the lighting will penetrate to the bottom of the tank as it would on standard 55G....but this is a complete novice guess and is probably wrong....If you head out before this weekend to a store like lowes or HD....PM me and let me know what you find before I drop $100+ on a lighting set-up at my LFS Thanks!
Thanks for the info. I was thinking the same thing you mentioned about the depth of my tank being deeper. I need to read those other responses again to my other post. I will PM you if I get a chance to head out again before the weekend. I am trying to focus on work in the shop today and to get caught up on taking time off but i am having a terrible time doing so. I have so much to do, candle biz, unending housework, 3 horses to care for, 3 dogs, 3 cats, now two fish tanks and of course my dear kids and husband. I will let you know.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:28 PM   #30
 
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Thanks so much, Byron, for explaining this to me. This really helps. I am going to read it a couple more times to make sure i did not miss anything and for it to stick in my mind. :)

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The tubes that came with my two All Glass Fixtures were "aquarium" type, which means they are high in the red and blue but this makes the tank look purplish and the colours are not true of fish and plants. The light also seems less intense, though I've not examined the lumens on this. A full spectrum tube with blue, red and some green highlights creates a much more natural colour rendition, and replicates the mid-day sun.

T8 refers to the diameter of the tube, as does T12 and T5, so a T5 is narrower, then a T8, lastly the widest is the T12. K refers to the Kelvin, a measurement of the colour temperature of the light. A tube can be 6700K and be a T12 or T8 or T5; the colour of the light, meaning the colours of the spectrum that make it up and by which we see the colours of plants and fish, would be the same (sort of), but the light would be slightly different in intensity from tube to tube.

T8 tubes have a coating inside (the phosphors that "burn" creating the light) which provides a more intense light than the T12, so in theory a T8 40w 48-inch tube will produce slightly more intense light than a T12 40w 48-inch tube, provided the tubes have the same colour spectrum. T8 also have the advantage of doing this with less heat, and that means less energy, so a more "green friendly" tube.

The Kelvin is an indication of the spectrum or light emitted by the tube. But manufacturers can highligh the colours differently, so even tubes with identical K ratings can be slightly different in colour rendition. I always use the K rating, then the spectral graph that most put on the package to see how they use the colours.

While it is true that a tank deeper by six inches will have less light intensity at the substrate than one shallower, the difference would probably only be evident with certain "fussy" plants that might not fare as well as groundcovers. I have the same lighting over all three of my larger tanks, two 40w T8 tubes, same combo on each tank, and although the 115g is deeper by 6 inches than the 70g, I haven't seen any issue in 12 years.

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