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post #1 of 13 Old 08-07-2010, 07:21 PM Thread Starter
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Question low-tech planted + air pump?

I have a 40gallon breeder with several plants and was wondering if air pumps are beneficial to the plants or not.. i have read different answers everywhere..
I use 3caps of flourish excel 2x/wk.
Light: (2)T5 HO 78W 2x 6700K.
Filter: Eheim 2213 canister..
I do not have co2 diffuser or anything but was wondering if adding air bubbles would help?
Partial water changes weekly..

(1) fire eel
(2) balloon molly
(6) dwarf rasbora?
(6) harl. rasbora
(6) dwarf frogs
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post #2 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 06:41 AM
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The purpose of the air pump is to promote the exchange of gases between the atmosphere and the water. We are particularly interested in oxygen and carbon dioxide. An air pump would help guarantee that the dissolved gases in the water will always be in equilibrium with the air. Sometimes we don’t want gases to be exchanged with the air like when we are paying allot of money to keep the level of CO2 way above equilibrium via CO2 injection, in that case an air pump would be counterproductive. Sooooo....to answer your question, an air pump certainly wouldn’t hurt, but you might not see any gain either.
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post #3 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 08:29 AM
pump for fish good
pump for plants not good

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post #4 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 10:41 AM
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I agree with kitten penang, while a non-planted aquarium, a air stone/pump would be helpful, it is not needed in the planted aquarium. The air stone gives off oxygen, in a planted aquarium the plants will be sufficient in giving off oxygen for your fish..

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post #5 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 12:02 PM
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Agree, no air stone in planted aquaria. For a fuller explanation why, have a read of the "filtration" info in Part 3 of the sticky series "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" at the top of this section. Here's the link:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...um-part-34858/

On the issue of Excel, I am not one who recommends adding this. I can comment further if asked.

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post #6 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 03:24 PM Thread Starter
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thanks to everyone for their help! why isnt flourish excel recommended? is it possible to have a heavily planted tank w/o co2 injection?.. what is the best way to keep the plants healthy (w/o changing the substrate that i have..sand with thin layer of black gravel ontop)..
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post #7 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 03:30 PM Thread Starter
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also..i was told to continue using carbon filter pad (eheim 2213) in my tank... should this be removed or continue to use it as instructed...
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post #8 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 03:36 PM
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is it possible to have a heavily planted tank w/o co2 injection?.. what is the best way to keep the plants healthy (w/o changing the substrate that i have..sand with thin layer of black gravel ontop)..
Take a look a byron's tanks, those are all heavily planted with no CO2, the only thing I can see you are missing is a quality liquid fertilizer, flourish comprehensive (not the excel) is highly recommended here. Also if you get an heavy root feeders you will need root tabs for those plants (like swords) no need to change substrate.

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also..i was told to continue using carbon filter pad (eheim 2213) in my tank... should this be removed or continue to use it as instructed...
Yes as soon as you start adding fertilizers you need to stop using the activated carbon, as this will remove some of the stuff you are trying to put in with the fertilizers.
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is it possible to have a heavily planted tank w/o co2 injection?..
Yes, most of the members on here do not use any CO2 systems, have a low-tech lighting and have achieved beautiful tanks, there is no need for CO2 is trying to use the low-tech style.

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what is the best way to keep the plants healthy (w/o changing the substrate that i have..sand with thin layer of black gravel ontop)..
Since you do not have nutrient rich substrate, your plants will need two kinds of fertilizer. You'll need the Comprehensive discussed above for your stem plants. If you plan on keeping any rooted plants, you'll need root tabs, I also recommend SeaChem for these as well. Fertilizers paired with a solid lighting schedule (10-12 hours/day)

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also..i was told to continue using carbon filter pad (eheim 2213) in my tank... should this be removed or continue to use it as instructed...
Yes, remove the carbon inserts in your filter. Carbon has it's places in aquaria, but a planted aquarium is not one of them, carbon removes nutrients which come naturally from your tap water.

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post #10 of 13 Old 08-08-2010, 04:26 PM Thread Starter
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wow byron... your tanks do look amazing. i would love for mine to eventually look that way!


ok.. i removed the carbon filter pad, cleared out the spray bar/intake tube, added the flourish comprehensive (its been in fridge for some reason), and i have plant food tabs(made by jungle) which i previously bought from petco but am not sure if its a decent product.. before i put them in
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