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post #1 of 12 Old 03-24-2009, 01:01 PM Thread Starter
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so the last time i added plants some of my fish got ich..how do i prevent this can i give them a salt bath? i have no area to quarintine them since my quaratine tank is in use...any suggestions
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post #2 of 12 Old 03-24-2009, 04:58 PM
I'm guessing it was the water the plants came with. Plants can carry ick as its a fish only disease, similar to the way amphibians can't get it either. I suggest rising the plants very well and preferably getting plants that are not kept with fish. You can also give them baths in anti-ick meds, but this may kill some or cause them to shed all there leaves.

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post #3 of 12 Old 03-25-2009, 12:24 AM
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i had this i used watercress from a pond to use as a feed for my silver dollars when i had them i had never had ich up to this point and ended up with it 4 times in a row i ceassed feeding them on watercress and switched to a terestrial plant as feed-no more ich.
i was washing the cress under the cold tap at full blast and it was still brining in ich you could try ich meds and salt as a a "disenfectant" but depending on the plant it may be lethal for it, quarintine with plants dosent need a tank just anything that holds water should do

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I posted a reply to ghosty's question yesterday as part of another thread that may have therefore been missed, so here it is again.

If the plants come from a tank containing fish, rinse them thoroughly in warm water by holding them underwater in a bucket and agitating them, and use your fingers to wipe the leaves if that is possible. The idea is to remove any ich cysts that might be on the leaves and stems. No need to add salt or any medication since the ick would not be susceptible to anything until the free swimming stage.

Are you sure the ich resulted from the plants? A lot of factors can trigger an outbreak. I read some time back that ich is always present in our aquaria, but it only becomes an outbreak when something triggers it, such as a sudden drop in temperature (chilling the fish), stress (a lot of things can cause this, from agressive fish in the tank, maintaining the fish in an environment that is not natural to the species, fluctuating pH or hardness, poor maintenance, leaving the tank lights on 24 hours every day, etc).

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Fish can have mild infestations of ich with no visible symptoms for very long periods, possibly their entire lives. As Byron said, stress to the fish can allow the ich to rapidly multiply into an outbreak.

I have seen recommendations to disinfect plants with a 2 min. dip in a 5% bleach solution followed by rinsing and a dip in water containing dechlorinator. The source said most plants tolerate it well, but I havent tried it as it sounds kind of risky to me.

Years ago (before the internet) some references recommended disnfection with alum. I have done this, but dont remember the concentration.

Actually I think a good rinse in tapwater should remove most things that would harm your fish. Snail eggs and unwanted strains of algae are harder to get off.
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Are you sure the ich resulted from the plants? A lot of factors can trigger an outbreak.I read some time back that ich is always present in our aquaria, but it only becomes an outbreak when something triggers it, such as a sudden drop in temperature (chilling the fish), stress (a lot of things can cause this, from agressive fish in the tank, maintaining the fish in an environment that is not natural to the species, fluctuating pH or hardness, poor maintenance, leaving the tank lights on 24 hours every day, etc).
Red font is a fallacy. Ich is present via unquarantined specimens or in stages where they embed themselves in gill tissues striking as an outbreak once they sense their hosts' immune systems have been greatly weakened. At this point, you need to make sure you do not cut your treatment short because the ich appeared to have diminished. Give it another full week of treatment after the ich appeared to have disappear to eliminate every protozoan thus the tank becomes completely free of the parasites. Failing to quarantine of course will force a repeat. Most people lack patience to quarantine even for just 2-3 weeks. Heck, they don't mind spending a "measly" cash for meds instead of preventing it by quarantining every new arrival.

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Ich cannot survive very long without a host fish, I believe 48 hrs at most. When buying new plants you should keep them in a fishless environment for at least that long, 3-4 days is ideal. Any ich will die off without a host. The plants may not appreciate that treatment, but they will recover. Small price to pay for peace of mind, really.

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I'm not a bilogist, I was only citing what I had read in an article in one of the magazines some time back. But if this isn't so, then how do you account for an outbreak of ich if the fish are severely stressed, say by chilling when the heating fails, or whatever, when nothing new has been added to a tank for months? If the ich isn't in there somewhere, where did it come from?

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I'm not a bilogist, I was only citing what I had read in an article in one of the magazines some time back. But if this isn't so, then how do you account for an outbreak of ich if the fish are severely stressed, say by chilling when the heating fails, or whatever, when nothing new has been added to a tank for months? If the ich isn't in there somewhere, where did it come from?
Ich resides in gill tissues. They will not appear as outbreaks until their hosts weaken due to stress related factors. Only way to completely eliminate them is treat for a full week after they seem to have disappeared.

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I'm not a bilogist, I was only citing what I had read in an article in one of the magazines some time back. But if this isn't so, then how do you account for an outbreak of ich if the fish are severely stressed, say by chilling when the heating fails, or whatever, when nothing new has been added to a tank for months? If the ich isn't in there somewhere, where did it come from?
You are showing your age here, that was quite some time ago. I believe an article in the seventies even suggested ich travels through the air ( perhaps the one you were thinking of). The life cycle of ich has been well understood for quite a while now, the Baensch Atlas (1987) had it right, probably other references before that.

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