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was I just ripped off by a crafty plant salesman??
Old 07-24-2010, 03:47 PM   #11
 
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I make it a rule never, never to buy fish I have not fully researched. That is a good habit to get into.

I love loaches, and spotted some small (maybe 1.5 inches) quite neat looking ones the other day, no idea what they were, the "common" name turned out (as is often the case) to be rather useless. There were about 20-30 of them all swimming around, looked like a nice shoaling loach. I went home, couldn't find them online from my memory, so I called the store and asked for the scientific name from their supplier. When I looked them up, I saw they max out at 4 inches (which is OK in my 70g) but become rather aggressive to themselves and other similar fish (like my existing loaches). Not good.

I learned my lesson on that.

Brandelion I understand the difficulty you are having in identifying unmarked plants. I think the only one I knew for sure when looking was the Sword. They are pretty easy to identify. Now I think I could identify the ones I have in my tank. I am used to seeing them. In the store they look quite different. Here they look half dead and crammed into a tank so tight, it is hard to tell where one ends and the next one starts. Good luck with your hunt for plants.

Glad to hear you got a few more fish. I can't wait to see pictures of your new little guys.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:07 PM   #12
 
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Good you held out on the fish. A CAE would be too big for your 15g (I think that was it, or maybe 20g?) and the aggressiveness does come with maturity as they get larger. Plus they do not eat algae then. Useless frankly.

I can't imagine store people trying to sell me fish, I have never had that happen; the opposite is more likely. But I am fortunate to have reputable fish stores that I patronize, run by hobbyists themselves (that makes a big difference) who are concerned for the fish and for my satisfaction when I get them in my tanks. Of course, they wouldn't be able to hoodwink me on fish I know, and I make it a rule never, never to buy fish I have not fully researched. That is a good habit to get into.

I love loaches, and spotted some small (maybe 1.5 inches) quite neat looking ones the other day, no idea what they were, the "common" name turned out (as is often the case) to be rather useless. There were about 20-30 of them all swimming around, looked like a nice shoaling loach. I went home, couldn't find them online from my memory, so I called the store and asked for the scientific name from their supplier. When I looked them up, I saw they max out at 4 inches (which is OK in my 70g) but become rather aggressive to themselves and other similar fish (like my existing loaches). Not good.
well you should be doubly proud of me because I was at petsmart today and they had the dwarf gouramis I have my eye on - on sale for $2.99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but I walked away - and not only because petsmart is 45 minutes from my house and it's at least 100 today!!

it was hard though cause as you may have noticed it's hard for me to commit to a purchase - especially 2 little fish that would cost me like $17 otherwise!!

but since I put probably too many fish in there yesterday (7 black neon tetras) I didn't think it would be such a great idea to add anything else just yet

even though the guy at yesterday's store thought it was a fantastic idea haaaa

I WISH I had a decent store somewhere near me that I could trust - this guy yesterday was like an infomercial sales guy!!

and I asked him for the scientific names of the plants he sold me and I had a hard enough time even giving me the common names!! I should have told him to take his plants and err... plant them elsewhere BUT I'm not great under pressure haaa

anyway I was pleasantly surprised by the chick at petsmart today though... someone went in there looking for something to eat algae and she actually asked what size tank she had and basically advised against getting anything at the moment -- instead of the usual 'oh here get this pleco... ignore the sign that says it grows to upwards of 2 FEET!!'

anyway - speaking of plecos

they had some at petsmart that were MAYBE and inch and a half... they were seriously tiny!!

I have a guy who will let me trade it in once it's too big for my tank (which is 20 gallons by the way)
what say you on that idea?

my issues are yes I want this algae gone... but I'm planning to do the live plant thing (if I can ever find a place to get some) and I don't want some bumbling fish ripping them up once it's bigger

if I scrape the bejeezus out of this tank to remove the algae I can see - ditch the stupid silk plant that has the green hair looking algae - and load up as best I can on live plants, do you think I'll have a reasonable shot at not having to deal with recurring algae gunking up the glass

or should I move my cories to another tank to open up space for either one of these teeny tiny plecos (and yes I know it will grow big fast enough), a bristlenose pleco or a few otos or SOMETHING to eat this stuff??

p.s. thanks for your patience... I know I can drive a person crazy haaaa
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:45 PM   #13
 
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Brandelion, I know I am not much help but doesn't your Petsmart have any plants? Mine does and they are pretty nice.

I am sure Byron will be able to fill you in on the Oto's but I have to say, I love mine. I only have 2 and they are keeping my tank glass crystal clear. Cute little guys, that is for sure.
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:23 PM   #14
 
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.....SOMETHING to eat this stuff??
I've had a lot of GREAT luck with Mystery Snails to eat the algae. I have one in my 5g! Give them a try!
(I used to have a planted 55g FW community tank. They did way better than any Otos and didn't poo all over the place like Pleco's.)

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Old 07-24-2010, 06:36 PM   #15
 
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I learned my lesson on that.

Brandelion I understand the difficulty you are having in identifying unmarked plants. I think the only one I knew for sure when looking was the Sword. They are pretty easy to identify. Now I think I could identify the ones I have in my tank. I am used to seeing them. In the store they look quite different. Here they look half dead and crammed into a tank so tight, it is hard to tell where one ends and the next one starts. Good luck with your hunt for plants.

Glad to hear you got a few more fish. I can't wait to see pictures of your new little guys.

I have one last hope for getting plants 'locally' - but the place is almost an hour away so I'm reluctant to go out there for more disappointment :/ if I find myself out that way I'll check it out... otherwise I think my best bet will be getting them online if I can find a place

yes petsmart had plants but they were like $7 a piece and looked totally pitiful!! they were kept in little containers and most of them were browning and yucky looking.... if you ask me $7 seems like a bit much even if they were totally beautiful!!

I'm going to make a list of plants I want and call around - if I can't find exactly what I want I'm gonna try to see if I can order them online
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:40 PM   #16
 
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I had my fill of getting plants locally. Blah!
If I ever have another planted tank, I would DEFINITELY get my plants from Sweet Aquatics. Every plant I ever got from them was healthy, and did extremely well. Not to mention a lot of their plants are cheap!
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:40 PM   #17
 
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I've had a lot of GREAT luck with Mystery Snails to eat the algae. I have one in my 5g! Give them a try!
(I used to have a planted 55g FW community tank. They did way better than any Otos and didn't poo all over the place like Pleco's.)
I've been shying away from snails because I don't know anything about them but I'm always hearing horror stories about snail infestations - the last thing I want is to have my tank overrun with some kind of pest

are these mystery snails something I can get a few of and not worry about them multiplying? or is one enough for a 20 gallon tank?
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:44 PM   #18
 
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My mystery snails never multiplied. The ones they are referring to are the ones that hitchhike on plants. (That's why some plants have a label that says "certified snail free" or something like that) I only had 3 in my 55g but I'm sure I could have done way more. Just get 1 or 2 and see how they do. If they arent doing a good enough job, get more. That's my 2 cents! :)
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Old 07-24-2010, 07:18 PM   #19
 
There are several things you can do.
1) get the MTS
2) get a Bristlenose pleco or the Otos (these tend to get very stressed from shipping and you may want to get more than you think you want because usually they die quickly and only the "strong survive". You may be able to find a LFS that has had the Otos for awhile and those should survive.
3) try turning your lights off more and add CO2 so that your plants can out-compete your algae.

Hope this helps!
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:42 PM   #20
 
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Brandelion,two things from your last few posts.

Otos will only eat common green and brown (diatom) algae. They will not touch brush algae, hair algae, or other types. Snails are useful at algae though of course they eat very little but every little bit counts. I have Malaysian livebearer snails in my tanks, they are probably the best snail. They burrow through the substrate, eat waste and all sorts of stuff, plus some algae. I also have pond snails or bladder snails. I personally think snails in an aquarium is a bonus.

On the pleco. First, there are hundreds of species; some stay smallish (3-4 inches, or 4-5 inches) others grow large (18+ inches). Some but certainly not all will eat algae. Many are carnivorous, not vegetarian. You need to know what you are getting to know if it will even eat algae, and how large it will be. And as for algae, here again they do not eat brush or hair algae. So that is a loss all round.

As for potentially large fish in small tanks when they are juvenile, absolutely no. I do not recommend this. Fish grow all their lives, and some grow quite fast; if the aquarium is not sufficient to handle the needs of the fish (not only space but also water conditions come into this) the fish will not form properly inside (the organs) and may be "stunted" which means disease-prone, deformities, and almost certain premature death. The comparison to having a puppy or a kitten in a cage is not apt because dogs and cats are mammals and grow differently than fish which are bound by their water enclosure and everything in it. Puppies and kittens have the whole world of air to breathe, regardless of a cage; not so with fish. It is a real mistake to buy a potentially large fish for a 15g or 20g since the damage will occur very quickly.

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