Yeah, but I'm stubborn I guess. I bought them to be a substrate plant that would eventually carpet the tanks. Stupid me. I really wasn't thinking when I ordered that last batch of plants. All but the tiger lotus plants required brighter light than I could provide. The tiger lotus are doing great and have put up several lily pads. I'm going to prune those off though because I really don't have room for flowers and I want to keep them as a bushy submersed plant. Also, the lily pads block the light. I would highly suggest the tiger lotus for larger tanks. The leaves are very large and interesting.