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post #11 of 17 Old 10-08-2012, 02:46 PM
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Stem plants from my experience grow more roots above the gravel then below it. It may be because they get more nourisment from the water column then they do in the gravel or sand.
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post #12 of 17 Old 10-08-2012, 04:59 PM
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Susan, your point about plant sizes in the profiles is a good one, but this is not easy to manage. The tank sizes are indicative of the approximate size of the plant, i.e., how much space it generally needs. But many plants will also respond differently to different conditions. Stem plants will simply continue to grow forever, and some will branch if the stem is cut at one of the nodes and the lower portion is left planted.

And on the stem plant roots, they grow from one or more of the nodes. The nodes are the places along the stem from which leaves and sometimes roots will grow. Some species develop roots from every node, such as Brazilian Pennywort, which is one reason it is such a good floating plant. Others will put more energy into a mass of fine roots in the substrate, but additional roots may still appear from some nodes.

The number of plants you want for a given tank depends upon the plant species. This is one reason I always recommend floating plants be included; they grow very fast, thus working fast at stabilizing the biology. As the lower plants establish and grow/spread, they will take over much of this task.

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Susan,
I uploaded pictures of my 75 gallon. Go to Freshwater fish pictures & video section to view them.

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post #14 of 17 Old 10-08-2012, 06:33 PM Thread Starter
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What about this?

What I was thinking about putting in the tank (planning on ordering from aquariumplants.com) is as follows:

Dwarf Saggitaria (Saggitaria subulata) - 30
Red Melon Sword (Echinodorus Barthii v. “Red melon”) – 5
Cryptocoryne Wendtii , Red (Cryptocoryne wendtii) - 5
Anacharis, narrow leaf (Egeria najas) – 3
Brazilian Pennywort (Hydrocotyle Leucocephala) – 1 (order is 8-10 stems approx 8” tall)
Wisteria (Hygrophila difformis) – 2

It seems like a lot of Dwarf Saggitaria, but I figured I would get little plug looking things and would need a lot of them for a 55 gallon.

Does anyone have any comments/advice about my choices? My pH is 7.6 out of the tap, sand substrate, driftwood, gH is 80 ppm, kH is 80 ppm. I am planning on tiger barbs for fish (regular, orange and green). I am not sure what lights and filter I will have. It is a second hand tank and I don't know if they are also giving me the filter, etc. If what they give me is junk I will replace.
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What I was thinking about putting in the tank (planning on ordering from aquariumplants.com) is as follows:

Dwarf Saggitaria (Saggitaria subulata) - 30
Red Melon Sword (Echinodorus Barthii v. “Red melon”) – 5
Cryptocoryne Wendtii , Red (Cryptocoryne wendtii) - 5
Anacharis, narrow leaf (Egeria najas) – 3
Brazilian Pennywort (Hydrocotyle Leucocephala) – 1 (order is 8-10 stems approx 8” tall)
Wisteria (Hygrophila difformis) – 2

It seems like a lot of Dwarf Saggitaria, but I figured I would get little plug looking things and would need a lot of them for a 55 gallon.

Does anyone have any comments/advice about my choices? My pH is 7.6 out of the tap, sand substrate, driftwood, gH is 80 ppm, kH is 80 ppm. I am planning on tiger barbs for fish (regular, orange and green). I am not sure what lights and filter I will have. It is a second hand tank and I don't know if they are also giving me the filter, etc. If what they give me is junk I will replace.
I would not pay for 30 dwarf sagitarria. This plant is very similar to the pygmy chain sword only it grows taller. It will spread via runners, but much more slowly (at least in my tanks). And the red melon swords, perhaps 3? I don't have particuly good luck with these, due to my light (not intense enough, as it needs to be for red leaf plants).

The Egeria densa (E. najas) prefers cooler water than a tropical tank, so I would find a substitute. In normal tropical temp tanks this plant often falls apart. The Brazilian Pennywort will do well as a stem plant.

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post #16 of 17 Old 10-08-2012, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
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This is so complicated. Back to the drawing board; but on the bright side at least I will be getting this right the first time instead of buying a bunch of plants that will die.
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I would sorta agree.. When setting up a new tank, it's sorta like roulette. You never know what will thrive. I usually start out with 1 each of 4-6 stem plants I like (plant the stems an inch apart to give them a fair shot, see what thrives and propogate them myself, maybe buy more later), along with 3-4 each of some hardy rooted plants like crypts and swords. (to plant in "groups" 3-4 inches apart.)

For a tank that big, I'd give some of the larger crypts a shot.. Perhaps crypt blassii, crypt retrospiralis, or crypt pondterfolia. (spelling might be off). Wendtii is one of my favorite plants.
I love dwarf sag, and its usually quite cheap. I see no problem with buying 20-30... It's pretty hardy.
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