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Old 05-04-2014, 12:44 PM   #11
 
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No, I did not say that if you have filter you cannot have plants or if you have plants you cannot have a filter. The two examples are the extreme situations when there is no split. The ammonia is processed by either bacteria alone or plants alone. As Jaysee said, in a mature, balance tank, there is a split, whatever that is.
By providing extra filter, you are actually favoring bacteria, not plants. More bacteria means less ammonia available for plants which translate in less plant growth.
This is how I understand what is written in the sticky and it made sense to me.
Thanks for mentioning Diana Walstad. I finally found today "Ecology of the Planted Aquarium" on Amazon. I have been looking for it for a looong time.
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Old 05-04-2014, 12:49 PM   #12
 
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Yes, there are people who think that more filtration will restrict plant growth. And there are people who have lush plant growth with big filtration systems....
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:15 PM   #13
 
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No, I did not say that if you have filter you cannot have plants or if you have plants you cannot have a filter. The two examples are the extreme situations when there is no split. The ammonia is processed by either bacteria alone or plants alone. As Jaysee said, in a mature, balance tank, there is a split, whatever that is.
By providing extra filter, you are actually favoring bacteria, not plants. More bacteria means less ammonia available for plants which translate in less plant growth.
This is how I understand what is written in the sticky and it made sense to me.
Thanks for mentioning Diana Walstad. I finally found today "Ecology of the Planted Aquarium" on Amazon. I have been looking for it for a looong time.
Ahh ok.. Now I'm less confused lol.
I know to some degree that is correct but dependent too on how you stock your tanks. Both plant and fish stocking that is.. While ammonia is favored by plants.. nitrates will do and you don't filter that out. I find the science behind it interesting yet not so perfectly exact. You *can* have a very highly filtered tank with success plant wise... you can even run carbon and still have success.

Glad you got her book! It's a very good one. I don't prefer to use her methods but If I were to ever decide to do NPT then I absolutely would be doing a Walstad tank. There is no denying the science behind her methodology. I plant tanks with plant eating fish and stuff like that haha.. So I don't feel I'd be happy with the look of her methods mixed with my fish choices. My stocking I prefer to keep unconventional . Even so.. I've had great success With pretty underwater gardens. Lots of fast growth.. enough so to throw away lots and give some to my african cichlids for fun.. to watch them murder plants hehe.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:41 PM   #14
 
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How does one go about planting in a large tank?

That's an excellent point - plants get 2 shots at the nitrogen (ammonia and nitrate) while BB only gets one - ammonia.

Do plants use nitrite?

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Old 05-04-2014, 02:58 PM   #15
 
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I don't think there is much competition for nitrite...Some do (according to the sticky)...I am sure algae will find a way. A tank with plants will always have less nitrite than the original ammonia. True?
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Old 05-04-2014, 03:22 PM   #16
 
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Yes that's true, because plants do not spit out nitrite....so out of 100 ammonias only say 47 will become nitrite. But those nitrites, which are converted to nitrates, are then used by the plants. So the plants are getting much more of those 100 nitrogens than the initial 53 they took in the form of ammonia.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:27 PM   #17
 
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Indeed. That's why plants are considered to provide better biofiltration than bacteria. No nitrates at the end. If you still have nitrates in a planted tank- that's a pretty good indication that you have more fish than plants can handle. You can either reduce stock or you can add more plants (or cater to the plant's needs to stimulate growth). However, more filters will only add more nitrates.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:38 PM   #18
 
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More nitrates is only a concern for people who use them to determine when they change the water. However, the vast majority of people choose an arbitrary schedule for their water changes.

While it's true that more filtration means more nitrates, it would be extremely misleading to pass that off as a negative thing - it's not like nitrates are going to be uncontrollable or dangerous. And if that were in fact the case, there's a MAJOR problem with stocking
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:58 PM   #19
 
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Corina savin... I'm trying to understand your point..?
Are you saying that you either have to filter with no plants or have plants with no filter? I'm confused..

I plant jungles.. literal underwater beautiful jungles of plants..yet go by the standard of 10X plus filtration for all my tanks..and yes.. that'll include my 225g thats both mine and Jaysees tank.. yet will be EXTREMELY planted.

With my 10 to 25x filtration with all planted tanks.. but one (my african tank where plants are eaten ..yet still some plants in there) I've never had an issue with my cycle.. even Diana Walstad_ the queen of current planted tanks- swears by some of the very same filters I do . the eheims 2217s . Filtration does not harm a planted tank one bit.. if it did then I have no clue how I keep the ~450g of tanks (not including the 225g underway) planted as successfully as I have.. and will not shy away from "advanced" plants..

for the OP, What are you specifically worried about? I can but usually do not over think my choices with plants.. Yes I do have a very specific theme in my head for the 225g that Im working on but it's all subject to change depending on if anything fails *figers crossed* . Haven't had bad luck with plants yet.. and I never aside from my daughters nano/shrimp tank use CO2... and thats it .. I draw the line there with our 225g.. I'll spend on lights(metal halide) and I'll spend on plants and fish.. will do water changes a lot to keep all perfect looking as I'm a perfectionist in that regard. A 125 is a great tank to play with ..planting choices are fun there. You want plants that have potential to be tall to be against the back or on the sides.. medium plants in the middle(if at all as some species aren't plant fans) and smaller in the front. driftwood can be fun to work with. Our 225 I have planned a dutch planted tank style them variation.. hard to explain without writing a book but do tell me what you are curious about and I'd be happy to help or direct you.

2 AC 110s are on the light side of filtration but with a planted tank as it sounds you want I wouldn't worry... plant types. .. oh gosh there are so many. I do love the typical amazon sword(root tabs help them stay healthy) , Red nesaea,
Limnophila hippuroides , Golden nesaea... those few cover the reds . Then I like dwarf hair grass for carpeting..cabomba caroliniana for a nice green plant with white flowers. Water sprite grows like a weed and can be very pretty. banana plants are fun for me as I can usually get the leaves to reach the surface no matter the tank depth.. IDK.. What are YOU looking to do and then I can better lead you.. and yes maybe Jaysee will have to hold me by my ankles .. tis deep
Well... I was looking to have the back covered in tall plants, much like aloe plants, but less spikey and less spread (and for water environments, and if you can see where I'm going), the middle sides to be a shorter variation of those, and the very front sides to be even shorter than that. In the center I would have driftwood and rocks and the moss balls would be spread throughout. And I would imagine this way of planting would leave plenty of space for my fish-friends to swim around.

(I drew a picture of my idea, but I cannot post it right now, as my phone needs de-junking and cannot take pictures)

And then there's this picture I found of an aquascaped tank with fish in it...
Actually, there's never just one aquascaped tank... But I'm thinking that this is a totally different process altogether.
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Old 05-05-2014, 10:21 PM   #20
 
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I've been in do many google wormholes I've seem the sane tank lol. It's not too far off from mine but I wand no rocks and only driftwood to create an autumn tree in reds . Black sand with black river rock retainers creating a place for white sand to never be mixed with the black . Will be a "river" in a lushly gardened Amazonian /Dutch style theme .


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