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How does one go about planting in a large tank?

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How does one go about planting in a large tank?
Old 04-27-2014, 09:03 PM   #1
 
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How does one go about planting in a large tank?

Specific size, 125g, possibly 2 aquaclear 110s and a sandy bottom. I'm still thinking about it, but if I do get this size of a tank, I would love to make it as natural as possible.
The sticky here kind of confused me. In the third part, it says not to use filters, or at least minimal use of them. If I stock it with as many fish as I plan to, though including many cleaners, the plants would not be able to keep up. A plant I know I will add is multiple Marimo moss balls, and that's all I know about types of plants. I was starting to read things, came across the sticky, and now I'm stuck. So filters or no filters, and what kind of background and midground plants would you consider for a tank this size, possibly housing up to 108 creatures (50 or so of which would be ghost shrimp)? Is there any necessary additive i would need and/or would I need a CO2... device... for the healthy growing of whatever plant I would get?
Trust me, I'm trying here.

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Old 04-27-2014, 09:35 PM   #2
 
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i would say yes use a filter. i dont think ive heard of filters being bad for plants
but for plants just do your research and get a good light... co2 systems are not necessary for most plants but they can definitely help your plants grow bigger and prettier.

you can try looking at some videos on youtube they have all sorts of helpful stuff there.
some of my plantsi like are crypts, anubias (spelling?) amazon swords, and ferns.
all of my plants i get from petsmart, bc its all i have, but the plants in the tubes are a good start and most are easy to grow
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:47 PM   #3
 
Look up Dustinsfishtanks on Youtube, he specialises in planted tanks, he also has a website thats worth checking out. He is the planted tank guru. I just use liquid fertiliser in my tank, and my plants are doing great. Seriously though, check out Dustinsfishtanks on youtube, all your prayers will be answered.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:08 PM   #4
 
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Well, I use fake plants in my 125s, so I just bury the base Agent13 says she's going to plant my tanks once I move. That's all her!! However, your thread caught my attention because we have a 225 gallon tank that she is going to plant. 2 feet wide and it stands 5 feet tall with the stand. It's TALL! I have no idea how she's going to do it. I might have to hold her ankles....



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Old 05-02-2014, 09:48 AM   #5
 
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Well, I use fake plants in my 125s, so I just bury the base Agent13 says she's going to plant my tanks once I move. That's all her!! However, your thread caught my attention because we have a 225 gallon tank that she is going to plant. 2 feet wide and it stands 5 feet tall with the stand. It's TALL! I have no idea how she's going to do it. I might have to hold her ankles....



Yes thats land before time in the background
You realize that you're going to have to upgrade soon? That species will grow 5-6 feet in the right conditions
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:27 AM   #6
 
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What the sticky is saying is that plants and beneficial bacteria (BB) are competing for the ammonia produced by fish. The role of the filter, other than housing BB, is for mechanical filtration and chemical filtration (using carbon to remove organics). Both chemical and biological role of the filter is detrimental for the plants. BB will remove ammonia (starving plants) and produce nitrates. Plants will use ammonia producing plant mass (growth). Plants might use nitrates produced by BB but only if ammonia is not available, therefore BB are not helping plants.
Keep in mind, the above holds true if plants are growing to the point where you regularly trim and remove them. If they don't grow fast enough or if you let them rot in the tank, nitrogen will re-enter the water column. The ideal system is a "planted tank with fish" as opposed to a "fish tank with plants"
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:44 AM   #7
 
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Plants and BB work together to provide filtration. More plants means less bacteria, less plants means more bacteria. TONS of people have no trouble whatsoever keeping plants in filtered (even heavily filtered) tanks - to say that the BB harms the plants is a misrepresentation. Ideal is up to the individual, whether they want a fish tank or a plant tank. Both are perfectly acceptable approaches to the hobby.
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:06 PM   #8
 
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Plants and BB do not work together to provide filtration if given a choice (see tanks without plants, see "silent cycle" when plants alone process ammonia before BB fully develop). BB does not "harm" plants more than plants "harm" BB because plants have the advantage of using ammonia OR nitrate. Bacteria needs ammonia only.
Before we debate further, do we agree that both plants and bacteria need ammonia to survive?
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:30 PM   #9
 
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How does one go about planting in a large tank?

Plants and BB work together to provide filtration because you can only ever have 100% filtration. What the actual split is between the two depends on many factors, but there is a split. Might be 50/50, might be 75/25. Regardless, the two combine to equal 100% - they work together (for the aquarist) to provide filtration.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:49 AM   #10
 
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Corina savin... I'm trying to understand your point..?
Are you saying that you either have to filter with no plants or have plants with no filter? I'm confused..

I plant jungles.. literal underwater beautiful jungles of plants..yet go by the standard of 10X plus filtration for all my tanks..and yes.. that'll include my 225g thats both mine and Jaysees tank.. yet will be EXTREMELY planted.

With my 10 to 25x filtration with all planted tanks.. but one (my african tank where plants are eaten ..yet still some plants in there) I've never had an issue with my cycle.. even Diana Walstad_ the queen of current planted tanks- swears by some of the very same filters I do . the eheims 2217s . Filtration does not harm a planted tank one bit.. if it did then I have no clue how I keep the ~450g of tanks (not including the 225g underway) planted as successfully as I have.. and will not shy away from "advanced" plants..

for the OP, What are you specifically worried about? I can but usually do not over think my choices with plants.. Yes I do have a very specific theme in my head for the 225g that Im working on but it's all subject to change depending on if anything fails *figers crossed* . Haven't had bad luck with plants yet.. and I never aside from my daughters nano/shrimp tank use CO2... and thats it .. I draw the line there with our 225g.. I'll spend on lights(metal halide) and I'll spend on plants and fish.. will do water changes a lot to keep all perfect looking as I'm a perfectionist in that regard. A 125 is a great tank to play with ..planting choices are fun there. You want plants that have potential to be tall to be against the back or on the sides.. medium plants in the middle(if at all as some species aren't plant fans) and smaller in the front. driftwood can be fun to work with. Our 225 I have planned a dutch planted tank style them variation.. hard to explain without writing a book but do tell me what you are curious about and I'd be happy to help or direct you.

2 AC 110s are on the light side of filtration but with a planted tank as it sounds you want I wouldn't worry... plant types. .. oh gosh there are so many. I do love the typical amazon sword(root tabs help them stay healthy) , Red nesaea,
Limnophila hippuroides , Golden nesaea... those few cover the reds . Then I like dwarf hair grass for carpeting..cabomba caroliniana for a nice green plant with white flowers. Water sprite grows like a weed and can be very pretty. banana plants are fun for me as I can usually get the leaves to reach the surface no matter the tank depth.. IDK.. What are YOU looking to do and then I can better lead you.. and yes maybe Jaysee will have to hold me by my ankles .. tis deep
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