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Old 08-07-2010, 11:13 AM   #11
 
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This thread has been instructive. I will revise the loach profiles as this is clearly not a "maybe" issue.

Also points out the wisdom of keeping geographic aquaria.
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:46 AM   #12
 
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hahaha, Kymmmie you did not warn me of this during our massive loach discussion They're fiesty little things! I don't want to get rid of my swords. They are my favorite plant. I love how big and full they get with the long leaves. I'm going to have to have a long talk with this gang that plants are not for eating! Sheesh.

So far it's only a few leaves. They are not dead so I was planning on leaving them in there. Like you stated Byron, I'd rather them mow down the leaves with holes already in them than start on new leaves.

I will experiment with veggies. First I will try veggies every other day along with the normal food they get when getting fed everyday (sinking granules/shrimp pellets/algae wafers). Will this be too much food? Also, with my work schedule, I can put inthe food at 8:00am and remove food at 5:30pm. They get fed their normal food at 5:30pm when I get home from work. Is 9 hours okay to keep fresh veggies inthe tank and do you still think I should feed them the sinking foods on top of the fresh veggies?
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:44 PM   #13
 
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hahaha, Kymmmie you did not warn me of this during our massive loach discussion They're fiesty little things! I don't want to get rid of my swords. They are my favorite plant. I love how big and full they get with the long leaves. I'm going to have to have a long talk with this gang that plants are not for eating! Sheesh.

So far it's only a few leaves. They are not dead so I was planning on leaving them in there. Like you stated Byron, I'd rather them mow down the leaves with holes already in them than start on new leaves.

I will experiment with veggies. First I will try veggies every other day along with the normal food they get when getting fed everyday (sinking granules/shrimp pellets/algae wafers). Will this be too much food? Also, with my work schedule, I can put inthe food at 8:00am and remove food at 5:30pm. They get fed their normal food at 5:30pm when I get home from work. Is 9 hours okay to keep fresh veggies inthe tank and do you still think I should feed them the sinking foods on top of the fresh veggies?
Veggies in the am is fine, remove what isn't eaten in the evening, fine. I would certainly reduce the amount of sinking food if veggies are also provided, and at first I might be inclined to not feed sinking foods unless I knew they were eating the veggies.
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:50 PM   #14
 
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Well I added a large slice if fresh zucchini about two hours ago and the center is nearly eaten out! I don't think I have to question whether they'll eat the veggies or not. Should I be removing the seeds so they don't pollute the water? Just curious.

How often do you think I should offer them fresh veggies? Obviously they are in heaven. How does every other day sound? One day fresh veggies all day and the next day sinking foods at meal time.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:47 PM   #15
 
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Well I added a large slice if fresh zucchini about two hours ago and the center is nearly eaten out! I don't think I have to question whether they'll eat the veggies or not. Should I be removing the seeds so they don't pollute the water? Just curious.

How often do you think I should offer them fresh veggies? Obviously they are in heaven. How does every other day sound? One day fresh veggies all day and the next day sinking foods at meal time.
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As long as they are also eating the "meaty" stuff (in the prepared foods, shrimp, bloodworms...) which they need too, go ahead with the veggies. Not sure about the seeds...may have zucchini sprouting in the substrate.
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Old 08-07-2010, 03:18 PM   #16
 
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I'm certainly not concerned about their appetite. Last night they devoured brine shrimp. They just always seem hungry, which I guess is a good thing (not for my plants though )
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Old 08-07-2010, 10:30 PM   #17
 
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I'm glad to read this thread before I started stocking my tank because I was set on getting 3 Angelicus Loaches and having swords.Now I'm starting to rethink that.
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:49 PM   #18
 
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I can be your guinea pig. We'll see if the addition of fresh vegetables several times a week prevents them from munching on my plants. They did devour the zucchini I placed in today, so hopefully filling their bellies with fresh veggies prevents them from munching on plant leaves. I will keep you posted. To be honest though, a few leaves with holes would never prevent me from getting them. I love my loaches.
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:14 AM   #19
 
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I can be your guinea pig. We'll see if the addition of fresh vegetables several times a week prevents them from munching on my plants. They did devour the zucchini I placed in today, so hopefully filling their bellies with fresh veggies prevents them from munching on plant leaves. I will keep you posted. To be honest though, a few leaves with holes would never prevent me from getting them. I love my loaches.
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I've already served as the guinea pig, lol. I feed fresh veggies and it doesn't make a difference. Lisa, to be honest I really thought it was a nutrient lacking in my water or I would have given you a heads up.
The swords are the only plants they punch holes in. There are a number of stem plants you can get that will grow well and reach the surface so you won't have a "bare" looking tank. I need to look up the names of the ones I have and I'll post tomorrow.

I agree with you, I love my loaches way more than I love any plants so I'll live with not having in the swords in the tank. Maybe we need to look into finding some silk ones that truly look real and we add those to our tanks? Just a thought...
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:50 AM   #20
 
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I'm only teasing, Kymmie. I'm not upset. However, I am appauled at the thought of silk plants and am shocked that would even be a thought from you. You must be tired from catching those Congos and Denisons. We'll let it slide this time hahaha

Let me know the names of those stem plants that will grow tall and fill in nicely. I'll keep it in mind if my swords get worse. Right now I can live with them, but I can't imagine what the buggers will do over the course of a couple years .
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