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post #1 of 7 Old 05-09-2011, 03:25 PM Thread Starter
Exclamation Holes in my aquarium plants

For about a week or 2, ive noticed that my red ludwigia and bronze crypt is suddenly starting to get holes in them. I noticed that before the red ludwigia get the holes, theres a brown spot there...then a hole develops. the holes arent completely circular. and the holes in bronze crypt arent circular at all but elongated.

I have hundreds of malaysian trumpet snails in the tank and have had them for years and never had this problem with with holes before. i dose twice a week with the recommended amount and dose with excel. i do a 30% water change once a week also.

ALTHOUGH!!! i have noticed some pond snails in the tank!!! POND SNAILS!!!! i crushed all that i saw, about 5 total. Every once in awhile, i see one pond snail pop up then i immediately kill it. How it got there? i have some crystal wort in my other tank and i had a pond snail... now theres no snails in the tank but pond snials in this one ... T_T

anyway... heres some pics. What could be going on with my plants?
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post #2 of 7 Old 05-09-2011, 03:33 PM
I think its more likely to be a nutrient deficiency than the snails.
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post #3 of 7 Old 05-09-2011, 03:54 PM
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You use flourish?

How many times a week?

Give your tank an extra dose. The injured leaves won't recover, but the new leaves shouldn't get holes.
I have pond snails in my tanks and they're harmless.

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post #4 of 7 Old 05-09-2011, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
yea i put 10 drops of seachem flourish twice a week

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Dose 15 drops one day and 10 the other... Next week use your usual schedule.

You might also need some root tabs.

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I have seen similar but only on large swords, specifically Echinodorus bleherae. It is nutrient related, not anything to do with those small snails.

Sorting out such issues is sometimes complex and takes a bit of experimenting. In my situation, I have solved the sword problem by using Magnesium sulfate, pure Epsom Salt. The plants were lacking magnesium; my tap water is very soft, < 1 d GH, and the magnesium in Flourish is clearly not sufficient for such heavy-feeing and fast growing plants. And these swords are enormous, with 3 double inflorescences this past year, and now they're sending out more. Most tap water in NA has more mineral, mainly calcium and magnesium, which are both macro-nutrients. The sulphur in ES is beneficial too, another macro-nutrient usually found in tap water in sufficient quantity.

But this can have a price; I have previously over-dosed ES and in that situation the swords developed an iron deficiency and the leaves became clear between the veining. Took months to fix.

My point is that you have to be careful with dosing nutrients, as an imbalance is easy to create and can be detrimental; so assess what is in your tap water plus what you are adding weekly, and look for the likely missing link. But then go slow. Sudden changes can be worse. And crypts will most likely melt with any such change.

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post #7 of 7 Old 05-10-2011, 05:18 PM Thread Starter
ok, i will try to to "up" my supplementation of the flourish and will check out my tap water soon. I removed all the holy leaves i could find. I bid they repent in thy name of good aquascaping...

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