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HELP!!! I am making a mess of my new plants
Old 07-15-2010, 08:23 PM   #11
 
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Angel is this better? I am really afraid to monkey with it anymore because so much of it breaking off.


I will pray that my eco comes tomorrow or Saturday so I can add that and hopefully it will help to hold my plants in. I am afraid each time I see the fish swim through the plants that they will uproot and be floating again.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:31 PM   #12
 
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Something about stem plants may help you: you can push 2-3 inches or more into the gravel, or rather create a hole and put the ends of the stem (or group of 3 stems works better like you did with the Rotala following Natalie's advice) in and cover it over to avoid breaking the delicate stems. The roots will grow from the part under the gravel no matter what. When you do this, it is good to remove the leaves on the part you put under the gravel, esp Pennywort, although frankly I do not always do this. Put as much of the stem under gravel as needed to hold it down. Once it roots it will stay.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:36 PM   #13
 
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Inga, relax! I've just planted my tank, but I am quite a good gardener on land, so, even though I am anticipating failure, I'm not stressing out about it. Plants just need what they need and if you give them that, they'll be fine. If they don't, they end up in the compost.

I'm having exactly the same issue as you with the plants coming loose. The fish seem to dislodge the plants. I went out and bought another bag of gravel and, after pushing the plants into the existing gravel, I gave each an extra handful around the bottom. It seems to have helped.

As for getting the plants in the gravel, I found that I needed to use my hand, but my aquarium cleaning "sponge with handle" has a fork on one end for planting plants. It can be a bit fiddly, but I can get the plants back down sometimes using it to push and wriggle them into the gravel. If your tank is too deep, you might find something similar useful (although it's not as easy as shoving them in with your hand).

As already mentioned, pennywort can float or be planted. I've had a couple of stems floating around for months and have only just planted it in the substrate (I did plant it originally but, like yours, it became dislodged. I just left it floating and it is still alive - not thriving (presumably because I wasn't adding any fertilizer), but alive nonetheless.)

As for dividing your plant, just go for it. You won't break the end off if you are pulling it down and apart, you'll end up with separate pieces with the ends intact. I don't know the plant, but it may not even matter if you don't get any roots on each piece, it might still be able to be planted and it'll grow roots (someone else will have to tell you if it matters). Don't worry about wrecking anything, you won't. Edit: Looks like you've already done it! Forget this bit.

(Maybe we need a support group for us nervous new plant owners? )

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Old 07-15-2010, 08:40 PM   #14
 
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Thanks Byron. I hope that it is a tough plant because sadly I have knocked a lot of the leaves off anyway. It sticks to each other in bunches like someone with long hair in desperate need of a haircut and deep condition. As Chaotic as my tank currently appears, I still like is so much better then the fake plants. I might change my mind tomorrow if I wake up to all dead plants though. I will continue to work on it but for now, I am letting it rest.

I hope the groups of Rotala are small enough now. I wasn't sure how much space was needed between each bunch.

Angel has been very helpful through this whole thing, it is me that is the problem. I guess I am so nervous about harming my fish or killing all the plants. I just need to relax. Maybe I should have had a glass of wine before I began this adventure.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:45 PM   #15
 
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I just need to relax. Maybe I should have had a glass of wine before I began this adventure.
Wine before an adventure is always a good thing.
Your tank is looking great, Inga. In a few weeks you'll sit back and wonder what all the fuss was about, lol.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:47 PM   #16
 
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Yeah, I looked at the picture but out of the water they all sort of looked alike. Yeah, I know I need to get my eyes checked. I think part of it was intimidation. I have floaters all over, pieces breaking off and minor panic when all the plants I just planted were floating again. Hopefully the ones I have in can take root.

I am working on breaking up the Rotala apart but I am so nervous about breaking it up as I pull it apart. Can you tell I am really good with plants?
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Inga, relax! I've just planted my tank, but I am quite a good gardener on land,

(Maybe we need a support group for us nervous new plant owners? )
Oh dear, I would joing that club in a heartbeat. I am not even good with land plants. I guess I got really nervous when the one plant started to liquify in my hand. The rest are doing better but I have bits of plant flying all over the place. When it comes to fragile little plants I am much like a Bull in a China shop. Not to mention standing up onto a chair and trying to reach down into this tank was a trip.

I am breathing slightly easier now but.... Ugh! I hope they take root and grow like wildfire. It seems sort of empty right now that I got all the crappy plastic/silk plants out. I am happy so far with how it looks but I am afraid to look too often as I fear the fish will be laughing at me and pointing to the top of the tank where all the plants will be floating.


Wine before an adventure is always a good thing.
Your tank is looking great, Inga. In a few weeks you'll sit back and wonder what all the fuss was about, lol.


Oh honey, I certainly hope so. :)
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:50 PM   #17
 
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Just a thought but doesn't anyone use CHAT here? I have gone on a few times but nobody is on. I am on right now if anyone wants to talk me down from a plant spasm. ha ha
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:31 PM   #18
 
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Yes looks much better apart and TRUST me the 'gaps' inbetween will fill in naturally as the plant allows itself to grow.

One thing I did notice on the close up pic thou that's part of the reason you have these issues is your gravel not you. Plants are easiest planted & established in finer grain (i.e. 2-3mm) if the gravel get's pea sized or even peanut sized that makes it very very difficult for you and the plants to stay down.

We all started somewhere so don't get frustrated, you'll get the hang of things quick and then you'll laugh just how easy it is, trust me....I'll ask you again in half year bout this
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:43 PM   #19
 
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I'll ask you again in half year bout this
Yeah Thanks. I knew the gravel was too big though, that is why I ordered the Eco-Complete. I intended to take out the really big stuff on top, put in the eco, mix with the medium stuff and then maybe add some of the larger rocks on top. Silly me, I thought those larger rocks were so pretty when I got them. lol

I am calming down some and I will much more once they start to grow. Heck, even if they are still in the gravel tomorrow, I will calm down some. ha ha

It does look sort of pretty. I know I have a lot more work to go but they are very pretty. Oddly enough that grass that was sort of a slimy mess... I managed to get a small piece in and so far, it looks alright. Maybe it will be alright as well.

I really really have to get a video camera to get these silly Barbs on film. It is cracking me up seeing them wheeling around and around in that penny wort. I would think they would be getting sick of the game by now but around and around they go. They are not stuck either, before anyone asks. lol
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:05 PM   #20
 
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Oh, ok, I wasn't sure. I am having a heck of a time getting it to stay in. You should see my darn Tiger Barbs now. They are riding around in a circle on a large piece of the Pennywort that broke off from the big piece and is spinning in cicles by the outflow from the filter. They look like kids on a Merry-Go-Round. lol I wish I had video. That might keep me from wanting to deep fry them right now after they keep uprooting the plants I did get in. I know that they don't normally do that so they must just be really curious about the new plants.

Would it be ok to keep the Rotala like that for a few days until the Eco comes or no?
Oh the visuals of the plant merry-go-round. Hilarious!!
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