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post #11 of 25 Old 10-17-2010, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
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Just want to make sure you would do that even though the gravel is Eco Complete? I just dont understand the algae problem it just keeps getting worse no matter what I do. : ( I am to the point that I am ready to throw the plants out and get new ones but I don't think that would fix the problem.

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post #12 of 25 Old 10-17-2010, 08:15 PM
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Yes, I am not confident that there is sufficient nutrients in enriched substrates to handle Echinodorus. But I would let the plant growth guide me; as I said, if the new leaf growth is green and does not yellow in a few weeks, and existing leaves are not yellowing (except if covered in algae, that's different), I would leave things as is; but any sign of yellowing on swords, increase the nutrients and Flourish works fine in my experience.

Algae is odd; it can appear in this tank but not that tank, even when conditions are identical. I also find that it goes through phases. I've had issues with various types of algae and except for reducing the light period, I generally do nothing and it often will dissipate after several weeks. And when I say reducing the light period, that was once from 12 to 11 hours on all tanks and it did help to reduce the increase of brush algae.

Another thing is to change the tubes when they need it. As tubes burn, the light intensity reduces; we used to replace the T12 tubes (the wide ones) every 12 months, though Karen Randall said it really should be 6 months for those. The T8 (narrower regular tubes) are usually said to be OK for up to 3 years though some still say 12 months. Last week I replaced one of the tubes over my 70g, it was a T12, when I noticed that it did not seem to be "on" but it was, it was that low compared to the second tube (a T8). So I replaced it; the algae problems recently in this tank dissipated within the week. Many say algae will increase as tubes wear out, seems it does. Not saying that is your issue, just mention it as there are many variables in all this.

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post #13 of 25 Old 10-17-2010, 08:31 PM Thread Starter
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Lets see if I remember right it has been only about 3 maybe 4 month tops since I replaced this bulb it is a compact flouresent I believe it is 13 watts which I think is ok since its a tall tank. Do you think reduceing the light on this particular tank to 8 hours from 10 may help? The exsiting leaves are not yellow just a lighter green and everything seems to be growing well. I had put in about 3-4 pieces of duckweed that was left in another tank that it did not grow at all in to this tank and I got to counting it when you mentioned the nutrients maybe lacking and in less than a months time there is now 20 pieces with really nice roots on them. I had not relized how much it had grown because it was mixed in with the pennywort I had floating.

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Lets see if I remember right it has been only about 3 maybe 4 month tops since I replaced this bulb it is a compact flouresent I believe it is 13 watts which I think is ok since its a tall tank. Do you think reduceing the light on this particular tank to 8 hours from 10 may help? The exsiting leaves are not yellow just a lighter green and everything seems to be growing well. I had put in about 3-4 pieces of duckweed that was left in another tank that it did not grow at all in to this tank and I got to counting it when you mentioned the nutrients maybe lacking and in less than a months time there is now 20 pieces with really nice roots on them. I had not relized how much it had grown because it was mixed in with the pennywort I had floating.
I've not yet come across info about CF bulbs burning out or losing intensity; my instinct tells me they probably last a while. I'll try to remember to research this with my plant colleagues.

This is a 10g, with one 13w CF bulb, correct?.

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post #15 of 25 Old 10-17-2010, 09:09 PM Thread Starter
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Yes its 15tallX15wideX9deep. Just one bulb.

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Yes its 15tallX15wideX9deep. Just one bulb.
I wouldn't consider that too much intensity. That clears that up anyway.

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Its very confusing I have never had a problem with algae in any of my tanks like this before.

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Its very confusing I have never had a problem with algae in any of my tanks like this before.
Amanda, I have 6 tanks running at present, and I get different types of algae in various tanks, yet it is the same water, same light, same fish load, same foods, same gravel, same fertilizer schedule--I can't explain this. Sometimes you just have to run with it if you've tried the earlier suggestions. Increasing the nutrients back to once a week with Flourish may be advisable.

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Would you trim the leaves off that are really covered in the algae? Would it hurt the plant if I do trim the bad ones off? Is there anything I can try like Amano Shrimp that would eat this stuff? Do you think going to 8 hours and doing the Flourish will help?

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Would you trim the leaves off that are really covered in the algae? Would it hurt the plant if I do trim the bad ones off? Is there anything I can try like Amano Shrimp that would eat this stuff? Do you think going to 8 hours and doing the Flourish will help?
I have trouble answering this; algae is normal, and I always expect to see it in my tanks. It's kind of difficult to say what is OK and when it becomes too much.

Trimming leaves will not normally hurt the plant, esp if the algae is killing the leaf anyway. As long as new growth is still emerging. Did that link I posted earlier mention shrimp as useful for which ever of the algaes this may be?

If you are at 10 hours now, I would only reduce to 9 and monitor plant response. I do suggest Flourish once a week whatever.

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