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Old 04-19-2010, 07:10 PM   #11
 
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Yes, that is the exact kind of Flourish I am using.
Like this: http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod.../Flourish.html
Yes, that's the stuff.

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Off topic, but have you seen this??
http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...rishExcel.html
Yes, this is simply a carbon supplement, in liquid form instead of the more usual CO2 which occurs naturally in the aquarium. I am not an advocate of adding Excel; in my experience there is sufficient CO2 from fish and biological processes [even in my non-fish tanks this occurs] to balance minimal lighting and opther nutrients for the plants. Once you start adding carbon, the light and other nutrients have to be increased to balance, and this is not necessary. Provided everything is balanced to begin with. More on this below.

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The liquid test kit I just bought a few mos ago does not have a hardness test. :( I can tell you that our water is VERY hard here out of the tap. We installed a whole-house filter last month, and I have been filtering the water myself through a PUR water filter as well (I bought specifically for the fish, sounds silly but its a lot cheaper than buying RO water from the LFS all the time!!) Not sure how all my filtering is doing as far as the hardness since I ran out of test strips that had the hardness test on them before we did all of that. The PH is about 7.6.
You could take a sample to your fish store for a hardness test, it is nice to know, esp after it has gone through some filtering/softening.

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Since it takes a day to filter it all that way, the water sits for a day in my old RO water containers with the water safe in it before I put it in the aquarium. I use Tetra Aquasafe. And I probably overdose the Aquasafe because of how hard the water was. http://www.tetra-fish.com/sites/tetr...?id=110&cid=73
This conditioner is fine. Don't overdose it; I know they all say "cannot be over-dosed" but it is chemical stuff and no point putting more in the water than required. It will do the job at the recommended dose.

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The water has had a bit of a green tint to it since my last water change but I thought it had something to do with my big Gold Gourami dying. (I found him in the morning, no clue how long he'd been that way.) I'm almost due for a WC.

I try to have the lights on 12 hrs, but honestly a lot of times it probably ends up more like 14. I like to turn one on and a half hr later or so turn the other on so it doesn't shock my nocturnal fish. At night I do the same turning them off.
These may be related. The light is sufficient for the plants, but perhaps may be too much to balance the nutrients including carbon. Rather than increasing carbon as an experiment I would suggest reducing the light duration. Ten hours a day is plenty. This may be the cause of the spindly stem plants. I also think this may be causing the "green" water. This sounds like the start of what we actually term "green water" which is a micro-algae bloom that at its worst can turn the water into pea soup, so that you cannot even see into the tank. There were a couple of recent threads from aquarists with this issue. Light is the cause. I would be inclined to reduce your light to at least 10 hours and possibly even less, say 9 hours. Use a lamp timer you can get in a hardware store so it is consistent day to day (better for fish and plants), and obviously have it scheduled "on" when you are there to view the aquarium; it doesn't have to be parallel to outside daylight or anything, so long as the aquarium receives total darkness for 8-10 hours a night. For example, if you work you could have the light on at 10 or 11 am, and off at 9 or 10 pm.

Reducing the light duration and increasing the Flourish to twice weekly but at minimal dose should help. Give it1-2 weeks and report back to us on any changes. My next suggestion would be to reduce the intensity of light (remove a bulb) but I'd try the other first.

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Old 04-19-2010, 08:17 PM   #12
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How would increasing the fert get rid of algae B? Wouldn't that give it more to feed off? I am pretty sure I have the same type of algae issue as JoAnn.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:38 PM   #13
 
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How would increasing the fert get rid of algae B? Wouldn't that give it more to feed off? I am pretty sure I have the same type of algae issue as JoAnn.
The algae is not the real issue, it is the poor plant growth of the stem plants. JoAnn needs to get the balance between light and nutrients to improve the plant growth. If that occurs, algae will not be an issue. It is only there now because the light is greater (I think) than the nutrients and the plants are not thriving. Algae is easy to control with light adjustments but the plant growth has to be good first. This green water is also a concern, hopefully this will also lessen that issue.

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Old 04-20-2010, 03:48 AM   #14
 
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THANK YOU Byron!

Going to get started on these changes tomorrow!

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Old 04-23-2010, 01:08 PM   #15
 
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Ok... so the water is not as green now.

I haven't found my other electrical timer yet, but I have been DILLIGENT about the light on-time. I used to turn it on when I got up (7:30a) & turn it off when I went to bed (10:30p-1a) I have been turning them on at 10:30a & off at 10:30p. (I under-estimated my light on-time in my previous posts!!)

I still seem to have the black/brown hairy algae on some of the plants, but honestly I don't think there is as much as before. Maybe half?

The corkscrew val at the west end of the tank is going CRAZY now! I have seen a ton of new sprouts coming out of the substrate in the last cpl days!

I haven't taken the water to my LFS yet, but that will get done sometime this weekend.

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Old 04-23-2010, 01:53 PM   #16
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Have you started to dose ferts twice a week or just once? After following this thread (I have I am sure a similiar issue to yours) I started to dose twice and I have noticed a bit less of the algae so far in a week as well. Good to hear yours is clearing up
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Pep - yeah I've started dosing 2x/wk. I noticed some more algae on the vals after I looked up real close to them so there is a little more than I posted earlier, but still a lot less. And the water is less green for SURE. I think the lighting was also a major issue for me. I already had my 10G on a timer, probably why this isn't happening in there, LOL.
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Old 04-23-2010, 03:15 PM   #18
 
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Have you started to dose ferts twice a week or just once? After following this thread (I have I am sure a similiar issue to yours) I started to dose twice and I have noticed a bit less of the algae so far in a week as well. Good to hear yours is clearing up
if i may these are some pics of weird black gooky algae stuff in my tank. is this what your talking about?
my camera is out of batteries, but it wasnt focusing right. i will try to take more.
the pic shows the gooky-look it has on my fine leaved limnophila indica, but also there is water wisteria there and you can see how it lkooks more hair-like on that leaf
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Old 05-08-2010, 09:38 AM   #19
 
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Ok... update:

The water just wouldn't stop looking green. I've been testing and not sure why, but nitrates have been up more than normal even w/my weekly WCs. So yesterday I did a 15g change instead of the normal 10, and the green and nitrates have all but cleared up! YAY! (Not to mention all the fish are a LOT more active!) I guess now I know what to do when it gets like that LOL.

Since I re-arranged the plants and got rid of the non-aquatic ones, they have all been doing good, growing really well. I am still doing the Flourish 2x/wk, API root tabs every couple wks, and I finally have the lights on a timer. As far as the hairy algae, it is still on a few plants like the one tall ludwigia, but it is a lot more under control.

On a side note...Why the heck didn't I get snails sooner! They rock! A couple more and they will be just as good as my CAE was at eating algae! :) (Not to mention my son loves to look for the "mystery snail" hehe! He loves watching them!)
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Old 05-08-2010, 09:57 AM   #20
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What kind of snails do you have? We have about 3 in our tank that have golden hued shells. A couple are about 1/4" in size now. I was thinking about getting more snails as well to help clean up.
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