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post #31 of 126 Old 09-25-2010, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
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Maybe they get a bit hyperactive... Cories will rummage through the substrate anyway though, and I've seen soil tanks with cories and loaches in them...

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post #32 of 126 Old 09-26-2010, 09:35 AM
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I havent setup my tank but I was just wondering about the anaerobic situation. kuhli loaches enjoy digging and i was just wondering if they would help with aerating the soil?
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Sorta not 100% on this SOIL based topic. But I have a sand substrate and I might later in the future try this soil substrate for my RCS tank I'll be making in the next 6months or so. But I was wondering.. do bloodworms breed easily underwater? And if so... with a 3Inch sand bed with about ... 15 maybe more MTS and a bunch of about 40 Bloodworms .. would they keep the sand stirred pretty well from making "pockets" and also.. I only have 6 cories so hopefully they won't go mad like kittens haha :P but I also have Angel fish... Anyways thats for a different time. I don't mean to hijack this topic so a easy answer to my few questions that I'm looking for are.

Bloodworms breeding in sand
Blood worms and MTS in a 3inch bed keeping it stirred
Will the BW survive with my other fish.. at least to the extent of being able to breed.

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post #34 of 126 Old 09-26-2010, 10:44 AM
if im not mistaken, bloodworms turn into flies, so unless you have space for a fly colony i dont think you will get more bloodworms...
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Luive worms of any sort must be very carefully controlled in an aquarium. IF they manage to escape being eaten and burrow into the substrate, you will have trouble because they will decompose unless a fish like a cory or loach digs them up first. This used to be a concern when I fed live tubifex. Usually bottom fish will root them out--and make a mess of the substrate in the process.

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I havent setup my tank but I was just wondering about the anaerobic situation. kuhli loaches enjoy digging and i was just wondering if they would help with aerating the soil?
Kuhli loaches work in theory, but the problem is that they will stir the substrate up unti the water column (like the cories mentioned previously) and create a mess if the substrate isn't fully waterlogged. I'm honestly not sure how much of a mess they would make, but since they require water movement, the substrate probably won't settle properly.


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Sorta not 100% on this SOIL based topic. But I have a sand substrate and I might later in the future try this soil substrate for my RCS tank I'll be making in the next 6months or so. But I was wondering.. do bloodworms breed easily underwater? And if so... with a 3Inch sand bed with about ... 15 maybe more MTS and a bunch of about 40 Bloodworms .. would they keep the sand stirred pretty well from making "pockets" and also.. I only have 6 cories so hopefully they won't go mad like kittens haha :P but I also have Angel fish... Anyways thats for a different time. I don't mean to hijack this topic so a easy answer to my few questions that I'm looking for are.

Bloodworms breeding in sand
Blood worms and MTS in a 3inch bed keeping it stirred
Will the BW survive with my other fish.. at least to the extent of being able to breed.

Thanks!
Seems something was misread- Soil-substrate aquariums are ideal breeding grounds for blackworms. Blackworms are fully aquatic, and one modest aquarium (5-10 gallons) could produce enough snacks for several tanks. I probably would avoid putting digging fish in a tank with blackworms. The more I think about it, it would more than likely result in a large mess- blackworms are irresistable to fish. If there's no water movement, and the soil is waterlogged, the mess should be minimal... I'd wait a while before introducing digging fish though.


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if im not mistaken, bloodworms turn into flies, so unless you have space for a fly colony i dont think you will get more bloodworms...
Bloodworms turn into non-biting flies related to mosquitos...

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Luive worms of any sort must be very carefully controlled in an aquarium. IF they manage to escape being eaten and burrow into the substrate, you will have trouble because they will decompose unless a fish like a cory or loach digs them up first. This used to be a concern when I fed live tubifex. Usually bottom fish will root them out--and make a mess of the substrate in the process.
That's true with tubifex, but if you google how to culture blackworms, you'll end up with something remarkably similiar to a soil-substrated aquarium. They will live, and die in the substrate, but so do MTS. The problem would be if there was a mass die-off, but that's fairly unlikely- whatever would kill the worms would more than likely kill the fish anyway. I would also use MTS and blackworms together so they can clean up after each other.

I might have to do some experimenting with botton-feeders (like cories and loaches) in a soil substrate tank with blackworms... It would add another level of complexity... Limiting blackworms to non-digging fish is probably the best idea.

The blackworms are relatively easy to harvest-
get a ball of filter floss, and bury it halfway in the top substrate. Place some tasty food on top of the floss (shrimp pellets or algae tabs would work) and leave it overnight. In the morning pull out the floss and the worms will be hanging out of it.

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The blackworms are relatively easy to harvest-
get a ball of filter floss, and bury it halfway in the top substrate. Place some tasty food on top of the floss (shrimp pellets or algae tabs would work) and leave it overnight. In the morning pull out the floss and the worms will be hanging out of it.
UGh that gave me a really gross image in my mind...
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post #38 of 126 Old 09-27-2010, 07:29 AM
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so should i try the kuhli loaches? cause the substrate that will cloud the water is like under an inch or slightly more of clean sand.
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post #39 of 126 Old 09-27-2010, 08:57 AM
what!! no wonder i had baby flies.i was wondering where they came from.i took out the cory's and left a female betta in there.im very sure she will eat up the left over worms

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post #40 of 126 Old 09-28-2010, 12:03 PM Thread Starter
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Cories will work in a planted tank on the condition that:

1. The water is well waterlogged- give it at least a month, preferably longer
2. Water movement will actually amplify the mess, and loaches and cories like water movement. See the issue? If you insist on loaches, then use a gravel substrate over the soil, and build a "sand pit" with a bottom for the loaches to play in.

It would be best if your first soil-substrate sandy tank doesn't have digging fish. After your first one you can experiment.
Soil does have it's own challenges, so let's take it a step at a time.

Another thing, is I fast my fish once a week. By the end of that day, the worms will be poking their heads (actually their butts) up looking for food- many fish will learn and snap them up. Fish will likely have to be at least 2 inches to be able to eat the adults...

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