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post #41 of 53 Old 05-22-2011, 12:59 PM
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I'm just saying what else would you recommend I do to allow the plants to thrive best?

Also Should I remove one filter?
For a 10g tank, i think you have way too much filtration. One HOB rated to a 10g would be sufficient normally, and with plants i would go with a simple sponge filter. And no bubbling devices aside from the one sponge.

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For a 10g tank, i think you have way too much filtration. One HOB rated to a 10g would be sufficient normally, and with plants i would go with a simple sponge filter. And no bubbling devices aside from the one sponge.
Whats the benefits of a sponge filter?

Also do you think I should rehouse the Gouramis? Or just get plants that they cant tear apart like Java Ferns?
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Whats the benefits of a sponge filter?

Also do you think I should rehouse the Gouramis? Or just get plants that they cant tear apart like Java Ferns?
I've not come across gourami eating plants, at least not the usual aquarium species. They do browse plants though, all species, continually; they pick off bits of food, small microscopic plankton and "bugs", etc. That is natural but shouldn't harm the plants. Floating plants are to me essential with any Gourami, it provides dangling roots which is ideal, plus of course the shade they expect.

Sponge filters are very inexpensive. They do a very good (excellent) job of keeping the water clear. And they produce a minimal flow in doing this.

Clear and clean are two different things. In planted tanks, the plants do the cleaning part, removing toxins from the water, etc., so the filter is not needed for this [the chemical and biological aspect of filtration]. Mechanical filtration (running the water through a media to remove particulate matter) is important to keep plant leaves clean [debris settles on the leaves] and clear water. A sponge is nothing more than the filter pad in a canister filter, same purpose.

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I've not come across gourami eating plants, at least not the usual aquarium species. They do browse plants though, all species, continually; they pick off bits of food, small microscopic plankton and "bugs", etc. That is natural but shouldn't harm the plants. Floating plants are to me essential with any Gourami, it provides dangling roots which is ideal, plus of course the shade they expect.

Sponge filters are very inexpensive. They do a very good (excellent) job of keeping the water clear. And they produce a minimal flow in doing this.

Clear and clean are two different things. In planted tanks, the plants do the cleaning part, removing toxins from the water, etc., so the filter is not needed for this [the chemical and biological aspect of filtration]. Mechanical filtration (running the water through a media to remove particulate matter) is important to keep plant leaves clean [debris settles on the leaves] and clear water. A sponge is nothing more than the filter pad in a canister filter, same purpose.
Are you talking about just placing the sponge over the intake? Or an actual sponge filter?

I removed one of the gourmais and exchanged it for a Red Cap for my Goldfish tank... He was doing more than just grazing.. He was breaking the stems and uprooting the plants... He's damaged 3 plants already.

Hopefully the other one doesn't do much damage bcuz I like the look of him... But, at the same time i'm not gonna be wasting money on plants if he's just gonna damage them, I'd rather rehouse.
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Are you talking about just placing the sponge over the intake? Or an actual sponge filter?
You had asked about the benefit of a sponge filter. My point of comparison was that the filter pads/floss in canister filters (and HOB for that matter) are performing the identical job of a single sponge filter. The media is much the same; fine to trap particulate matter, and of course nitrifying bacteria colonize it for some biological filtration. As the rest of the aparatus is not needed, the simple sponge filter connected to an air line performs the necessary task without the side effects.

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You had asked about the benefit of a sponge filter. My point of comparison was that the filter pads/floss in canister filters (and HOB for that matter) are performing the identical job of a single sponge filter. The media is much the same; fine to trap particulate matter, and of course nitrifying bacteria colonize it for some biological filtration. As the rest of the aparatus is not needed, the simple sponge filter connected to an air line performs the necessary task without the side effects.
Sorry, I think I lost you.

I've never seen just a sponge filter? I've seen sponges over the intake of a HOB, but, not just a sponge filter.

So if I get you right, you're saying that the Sponge filter will keep the tank clear and the plants will keep the water perimeters in check (Clean)? Of course if you're still doing your water changes.

Would it have any benefit if I just place a sponge over the filter intake to slow the flow down?
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Sorry, I think I lost you.

I've never seen just a sponge filter? I've seen sponges over the intake of a HOB, but, not just a sponge filter.

So if I get you right, you're saying that the Sponge filter will keep the tank clear and the plants will keep the water perimeters in check (Clean)? Of course if you're still doing your water changes.

Would it have any benefit if I just place a sponge over the filter intake to slow the flow down?
No. You don't want to "block" the intake, the filter motor may run dry or burn out. Sponges over the outflow have sometimes beeen used to dissipate the outflow. But on a 10g tank I would myself rather have a small inside sponge filter. I'm attaching a photo of a dual sponge filter below; this is made by Hagen under the elite name, they also make single ones which would be sufficient in a 10g.

Water changes, yes. No filter can remove some of the "crud" in the water; plants can, but you need a lot of plants and minimal fish to balance for this natural a setup. Plus the water change introduces new minerals, etc.
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But, it says it creates numerous minute bubbles for increased oxygen flow. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Is this similar to the one in your pic?

Foam Aquarium Biological Filters: Oxygen Plus Bio-Filter 3 & 5
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But, it says it creates numerous minute bubbles for increased oxygen flow. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Is this similar to the one in your pic?

Foam Aquarium Biological Filters: Oxygen Plus Bio-Filter 3 & 5
Yes, that's a single model, made by a different manufacturer but the same thing otherwise.

The bubbles are minimal. There is always going to be some water movement with any filter, and that is important. But it shouldn't be to excess with devices that do nothing but bubble.

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i went to Petco and PetSmart today, and couldn't find any sponge filters. the people at Petco had no idea what i was talking about, and i never asked anyone at PetSmart. where do you guys purchase your sponge filters?

i've watched a few videos on how to do it yourself, maybe i'll try that.


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