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Emegency - Pant and Fish Die-off
Old 01-19-2013, 02:54 PM   #21
 
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Thread readers' FYI: Here's the Sera Master Freshwater test kit on Amazon:
Amazon.com: Sera Aqua-Test Box Freshwater Master Test Kit: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Sera Aqua-Test Box Freshwater Master Test Kit: Pet Supplies
... and the API for comparison:
Amazon.com: API Freshwater Master Test Kit: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: API Freshwater Master Test Kit: Pet Supplies
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There is quite a difference in test kits. The Sera Master kit tests for pH, kH, GH, NH3/NH4, NO2, NO3, PO4, Fe, Cl. Sera also includes online analysis of your water sample. The API Master kit tests for pH, NH3/NH4, NO2, high range pH, and NO3.


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Old 01-19-2013, 02:55 PM   #22
 
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I agree that titration, properly done, is much more accurate than any commercial test strip - and less expensive in the long run.

I have the result of the outside tap water. In order to compare apples to apples, I used the same test method before. Note: Outside tap water is much colder, impacting pH.

GH: 180 ppm
KH: 40 ppm
pH: 7.5
Nitrite: 3 ppm
Nitrate: 40 ppm
NH3/NH4: 0.25 ppm

For comparison, here are the inside tap reading from my earlier post:
I must say I am not sure what to suggest here. The GH at 180PPM [= 10 dGH] could be dealt with by diluting with RO, and this would be much better than using the softener water. But the nitrite and nitrate are high. The ammonia is much less of a concern.

Cold shouldn't affect pH, this is more likely CO2. Shake the water very briskly for a couple minutes to outgas the CO2.

I have to take my neighbour's dog out for a walk now...I will come back to this and in the meantime others may have suggestions.

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Old 01-19-2013, 03:06 PM   #23
 
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Cold shouldn't affect pH, this is more likely CO2. Shake the water very briskly for a couple minutes to outgas the CO2.

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Water ionizes further as temperature rises. Therefore, hydrogen ion concentration rises with temperature. Electronic pH meters always have a temperature compensating probe.

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I have to take my neighbour's dog out for a walk now...I will come back to this and in the meantime others may have suggestions.

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Have a good walk - Our three dogs (two Cairns and a Westie) have their own outside adventure, complete with 3000g Koi pond and 25' stream. We do take them for walks and the dog park for socialization's sake. TTYL when you're back.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:29 PM   #24
 
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Thread reader's FYI: For an excellent treatment of pH read Temperature and pH Measurement. The temperature effect on pH is not direct. You can see it relationship in the calculus regarding ion equilibrium; hence, the inclusion of a temperature senor in electronic pH probes.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:34 PM   #25
 
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My apologies if I added to any confusion that already exists.

eHow has a much more friendly description of pH (read The Effects of Temperature on the pH of Water | eHow.com). For our discussion here - using test strips OR reagents, temperature is moot.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:48 PM   #26
 
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Any possibility of anaerobic bacteria causing the fish-kill following the gravel cleaning?
Can anyone address this earlier question (or is it addressed in the other comments regarding water quality)? I am concerned that anaerobic bacteria could be kicked up during the cleaning process.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:06 PM   #27
 
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Can anyone address this earlier question (or is it addressed in the other comments regarding water quality)? I am concerned that anaerobic bacteria could be kicked up during the cleaning process.
I myself would not worry about this. You can vacuum just a part of the substrate at each water change until it is all done. Areas around plant roots can be left alone, if any of the plants in the substrate are still alive.

The initial issue was sudden death of fish (and plants, but we I think have dealt with the plant issue). Frequent water changes, not doing too much at each, should get this back to normal. I am still concerned with what the water softener is adding, and this may have been the initial issue or part of it.

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Old 01-19-2013, 06:30 PM   #28
 
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Anaerobic bacteria poisoning is usually associated with a sulfur (rotten egg) smell, cloudy water, or gasping at the surface.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:32 PM   #29
 
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Thanks to all for their input. The fish and plant are recuperating and appear to be in much less stress since taking the suggested steps regarding conditioning and water source. I will begin minor changes with treated outside tap water within the next four days.

I invite all to view my picture albums at http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/members/46916/album/. For me, success is always proceeded by a series of mistakes - some big, some small. I reckon that is what wisdom and the Grace of God is all about.
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Thanks to all for their input. The fish and plant are recuperating and appear to be in much less stress since taking the suggested steps regarding conditioning and water source. I will begin minor changes with treated outside tap water within the next four days.

I invite all to view my picture albums at http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/members/46916/album/. For me, success is always proceeded by a series of mistakes - some big, some small. I reckon that is what wisdom and the Grace of God is all about.
IMHO not always but I do tend to get it right the second time.

I learned a long time ago that usually the first thing I should look at is the last thing I did.

glad it's working
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