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Old 12-17-2012, 10:51 PM   #1
 
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Dutch planted tank

I am looking to creating a Dutch style planted tank in my 58 gallon. It has the same foot print as a 40 breeder but it is taller. I believe it is 24" tall.

Would this light work for me?

36" 78w T5 HO Aquarium Light German Reflector Hood 2x39W Lamp Fixture Coral Reef | eBay


Also, I am wondering if I should use eco complete or fluorite as substrate, thoughts?
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:29 PM   #2
 
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:38 PM   #3
 
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You don't want those tubes, they are intended for marine tanks. But assuming you are going high-tech, with diffused CO2 and daily fertilizers [which is necessary for the Dutch planted tank] then a dual tube T5 fixture is the way to go. But with different tubes. Those with a kelvin around 6500K work best for plants. As tubes are expensive, I would track down a fixture with suitable tubes.

On the substrate, I would not go with Flourite or Eco-complete. The method you are considering would be better with one of the enriched substrates like ADA's, and there are some others but I am not familiar with them as I only use plain sand or gravel. My one Flourite tank has been very disappointing.

Edit: I've moved this thread to Aquarium Plants as the more relevant section.

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Old 12-19-2012, 02:06 PM   #4
 
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Dutch tanks focus on the plants, so you would be limiting your fish options by going that route.

Dutch tanks primarily use stem plants, so if you went that route, I don't think any enriched substrate would be neccesary. (ADA Aquasoil or any high CEC substrate could have the benefit of absorbing excess nutrients and releasing them gradually. Products like turface pro, soil master select, etc sold at sporting stores work well.)

It would require a lot of maintenance (trimming, fertilising, massive water changes) and the livestock would ideally be limited to a single shoal of 10-15 tetras and/or small shrimp species)

I aquascaped a dutch tank back when I had a (short-lived) job as an aquascape designer. For the "dutch appearance", even warm colored bulbs 2000k-4500k can work. The EI (estimative index) fertilisation method will limit algae on it's own. (3 days a week dose macros, 3 days a week dose micros, and one say a week don't dose, and instead do a massive 80-90% water change)

You will need CO2 supplementation, preferably from a pressurized tank.

If you need any help, pm me and I'll post here.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:09 PM   #5
 
Or you can just use peat moss/sand/pc select(or gravel) for a substrate.

use 1.5 w/gallon 6500k lights. (anything form 4000k-6500K but I like the look of the 6500k lights)

do no water changes

have lots fish.

do no co2

do no ferts.

no filters.

no mechanical circulation.

and just let it balance out and maintain itself.

my .02
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:35 PM   #6
 
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Or you can just use peat moss/sand/pc select(or gravel) for a substrate.

use 1.5 w/gallon 6500k lights. (anything form 4000k-6500K but I like the look of the 6500k lights)

do no water changes

have lots fish.


do no co2

do no ferts.

no filters.

no mechanical circulation.

and just let it balance out and maintain itself.


my .02
That will NOT mork for a dutch-style tank, and (the combination of items in bold) is not a good idea for ANY tank.

Just my .02

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Old 12-19-2012, 03:53 PM   #7
 
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That will NOT mork for a dutch-style tank, and (the combination of items in bold) is not a good idea for ANY tank.

Just my .02

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

don't tell my tanks that.

30 fish in a 10g tank. from the original cycle trio. 9 years ago.

Hope those tank do find out they don't work.

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Old 12-19-2012, 04:16 PM   #8
 
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SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

don't tell my tanks that.

30 fish in a 10g tank. from the original cycle trio. 9 years ago.

Hope those tank do find out they don't work.


I said it was risky, not impossible. Anyone can be lucky. You don't have a "Dutch Style" tank though, so please stay on topic. (Make a new thread to discuss things off-topic if you insist).

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Old 12-19-2012, 09:19 PM   #9
 
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I said it was risky, not impossible. Anyone can be lucky. You don't have a "Dutch Style" tank though, so please stay on topic. (Make a new thread to discuss things off-topic if you insist).
So what do you consider a leiden or dutch style tank?

to me it is a system where the plants are the main thing conditioning the tank.

but a precise definition has always eluded me.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:43 AM   #10
 
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When I hear dutch, I think of it as the a tank designed in the dutch aquascaping style, like so:


80-90% of the substrate covered with stem plants of contrasting heights, colors, and shapes. Normally the plants are divided into 'terraces' or 'channels' to give the illusion of depth.
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