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post #1 of 18 Old 12-05-2010, 01:22 PM Thread Starter
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Do plants need a filter and

A light?????? Because i was going to purchase a 4g tank for around £10.. But i wanted to plant it.. But it wont have a filter or any special lights except natural day light.. Should i just put fake planst in??

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post #2 of 18 Old 12-05-2010, 01:33 PM
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I have experimented with a 10g that had no filter and no light. Placed in front of a west or south-facing window, it is possible to have live plants. And they will filter the water. The fish load must be very minimal or it would over-balance the plants. Snails or shrimp work well in such tanks; the fish will naturally be very small species, and the snails/shrimp are good at keeping the biological balance.

Fake plants would not be good with no filter, as then you have no means of filtering the water except frequent water changes. And the biological balance and water stability would be more difficult to manage.

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Could i have a betta a few mts and maybe some large ghost shrimp??? With lots of plants...

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Could i have a betta a few mts and maybe some large ghost shrimp??? With lots of plants...
Yes. Betta need warmth though, a small heater or a warm (consistently) room are important.

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Yes i have a very warm room well not extremly warm because of my heated 4ftx2ftx2ft snake tank... And i was wondering if i could put 1 betta in a 1 g without a heate and some live ppanst and another or a femal in the 3-4g?? Thanks for your help Byron nice to get answers from someone so knowledgable.

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I think a betta needs at least 2.5 gals to be sufficient. Also its a hit or miss with the ghost shrimp. My betta loves ghost shrimp and eats them as soon as I put on in the tank. So id be a bit careful about buying them. You can get some put some low light plants in it if you have no light though.
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post #7 of 18 Old 12-05-2010, 03:30 PM Thread Starter
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1g as a minumum... But with 50% wc every other day should be sufficent..

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post #8 of 18 Old 12-05-2010, 03:40 PM
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Your original post mentioned a 4g for the Betta, hence my previous comments. I too think 1g is getting small. Daily water changes can work in small areas, but I feel it better to go for more stability by natural means, letting the plants handle things in sufficient space for the fish. As I mentioned somewhere earlier today, the more space we can give any fish the healthier it is likely to be, and that should always be our aim with fish.

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post #9 of 18 Old 12-05-2010, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
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Yes i have a 1g set up with plants and gravel but there is a really nice 4g at my lf2 that is cheap and i might get it and set up both.. Or if not i may use the 1g..

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post #10 of 18 Old 12-06-2010, 04:19 PM
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Is a 1g ideal? No. Bettas like to have territory.

Having said that, check out-
Temporary Betta Home (soil substrate) - 1 gallon Freshwater fish tank

I use soil, and have no worries about fertilisers, no light but sunlight. (NOT direct sunlight! )

If you have to adjust the light amounts, it's pretty simply to move it closer or away from the window.

BTW, my Betta is going in my 5G soon, with a trio of cories... Maybe pygmies..

My 5 gallon and one of my 10's (plus my jar) have no filter, and the 10 and 5 simply have a lamp with a cool white CFL.
If that's an option, I reccomend it, if for no other reason than you can put a background on it and see the fish better.

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