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post #11 of 30 Old 06-18-2010, 12:07 PM
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Oh, sorry byron I meant to post that I accidently forgot. It's half eco-complete substrate from about 3 years ago, half regular black gravel for aquariums. My dwarf saggitaria doesn't seem to be doing all that great - algae covers leaves but they don't produce leafs quick enough and my sword plant seems a bit stagnant with growth (which I guess isn't BAD)... though root tabs may help this but idk.

Anyways thanks for all the info. It was very helpful. The PH usually remains constant but I will check it anyways in a bit and report back. I've never actually had a crypt completely turn to mush like I hear, so it is hard for me to judge what it was. But from what it sounds like the crypt didn't melt... it could still be dying though, right? But maybe it is fine... guess we'll find out?

Tanks been running a few years but recently has been revamped as I got back into the hobby. Had a stressful bit of time and only had it home a couple of platies so yea. It's been up and running maybe 5-6 months since I restarted it kind of. It's had the same filter and water so no cycling.

By sparingly, I mean, I skipped 1 week of fertilizing >_<. Thought the plants would be ok. A few days ago I fertilized after W/C a regular dose. It is hard to tell if the algae has gotten worse. I've had problems with that kind of algae (do you know the kind, or can you remind me of the link which has all the algae types?) for a while now but I can say it has gotten worse, but not sure if it was within the last week or two. Maybe a tad worse... but it has been progressively getting worse slowly for a month or two... =(

Anyways the Aqueon liquid fert seems less efficient in terms of money and everyone always seems to mention flourish being good. My 29g tank needs 29 ml of aqueon plant fertilizer. My 44g, 44ml. It's not very effecient and flourish seems way more effecient - the aqueon fert is 98.7% water or something.......................
Goodness, 29ml is a lot, are you sure? That's 1ml per gallon; Floruish uses 2.5ml (= 1/2 teaspoon) for 30 gallons. I need to make sure this is correct, as that much fertilizer is bound to cause trouble.

Sagittaria can be slow to start, mine was, and it has periods of growth (runners) followed by periods of little growth. Most substrate-rooted plants have a similar sort of cycle, they do not "grow" continually like stem plants do.

As I said previously, algae is caused by light, period. It will find enough nutrients if the light is there. The aim is to have the plants out-compete algae by using the light which means providing sufficient nutrients to balance the light so the plants can use it. I mentioned that I have that hair algae in my tanks too, no worse or better than yours, I leave it; it is natural. Only when it begins to "take over" do I reduce the light (duration) or alternatively one could increase nutrients. I can't do the latter because I am using the max (Flourish twice weekly) and do not want to increase that, so last year I cut the light back by one hour and the hair algae abated.

Here's a link to good algae info. http://www.aquaticscape.com/articles/algae.htm
But I must caution you not to jump into extreme treatments. Whatever you do has to be done slowly so the tank biology keeps up in balance, otherwise other issues can surface. Everything in an aquarium is inter-related, and messing with one thing will usually affect other things. I would get the Flourish, dose it twice weekly at the recommended dose (for your 29g a 1/2 tsp twice a week) and give this 2 weeks. Monitor plant response and algae during the 2 weeks. Then report back.

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post #12 of 30 Old 06-18-2010, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
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Byron, yep it's 10 ml per 10g. That's why I kind of want to use flourish. It's a lot more economical than buying a bottle once a month or so. Flourish will probably last me a few months I'm sure. 500 ml = 200 29g tank doses.

Anyways, the saggitaria has been in there about 3 months since I had bought the plants. Been little growth the entire time. It's getting taken over by "red algae" (sorry can't remember the other name) so ya.... only 1 runner the entire time.

I'll do the dose when I get the flourish.. should be next week ^_^.... then I'll do the 2 week dosage and observe. Hopefully it helps! :) Guess we'll find out.
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Byron, yep it's 10 ml per 10g. That's why I kind of want to use flourish. It's a lot more economical than buying a bottle once a month or so. Flourish will probably last me a few months I'm sure. 500 ml = 200 29g tank doses.

Anyways, the saggitaria has been in there about 3 months since I had bought the plants. Been little growth the entire time. It's getting taken over by "red algae" (sorry can't remember the other name) so ya.... only 1 runner the entire time.

I'll do the dose when I get the flourish.. should be next week ^_^.... then I'll do the 2 week dosage and observe. Hopefully it helps! :) Guess we'll find out.
Interesting; of course there is no harm in dosing this much if the product is made for that, as it clearly is, but it does use it up. Wonder how it compares in price to Flourish? I have several tanks and buy the 2 litre jug which costs me $70 but the first one I bought lasted 15 months and I'm on the new one now. I tried a local product that was highly recommended, and it seemed OK but it took more of it and it cost $40 for 2 months and that was just for two tanks, I was trying it on those to see the difference. Not worth the significantly extra cost.

Follow my earlier suggestions and let us know after a couple weeks.

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Yea, the bottle is maybe 250-500ml (it only says in grams which is weird) I'm guessing. It's about 7.99$ so if it only lasts me a month or two (when I was only dosing my 10g and 29g... now I got a 44g) so it's not very cost effective! Flourish 500ml I got online for 8.99$ (and I've seen it around 8.50$ other places), but the store nearby I know that has it is around 11.99 or 12.99$... and it'll last me several months I'm sure even with the addition of my 44g tank and even if I dose 2 times weekly for 29g.

Anyways, thanks so much for your help. :) It really helps (can't think of another word so I'll use help twice) me out a lot!! Not sure though I don't think you mentioned in the end whether root tabs will be beneficial or not, since I have half regular fish tank gravel, and half 3 year old ecocomplete. Thanks again. :)

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Yea, the bottle is maybe 250-500ml (it only says in grams which is weird) I'm guessing. It's about 7.99$ so if it only lasts me a month or two (when I was only dosing my 10g and 29g... now I got a 44g) so it's not very cost effective! Flourish 500ml I got online for 8.99$ (and I've seen it around 8.50$ other places), but the store nearby I know that has it is around 11.99 or 12.99$... and it'll last me several months I'm sure even with the addition of my 44g tank and even if I dose 2 times weekly for 29g.

Anyways, thanks so much for your help. :) It really helps (can't think of another word so I'll use help twice) me out a lot!! Not sure though I don't think you mentioned in the end whether root tabs will be beneficial or not, since I have half regular fish tank gravel, and half 3 year old ecocomplete. Thanks again. :)
I would not bother with the root tabs; for "small" plants like Sagittaria and with Eco-complete and the Flourish, this will not be "necessary" but using them may result in faster growth (which can be good or bad, depending upon how you view it). I don't use substrate ferts in my tanks, except next to the larger swords, and my Sagittaria and Echinodorus tenellus and E. quadricostatus, all very similar in size and growing behaviours, do very well.

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!!!!!!!!

I just noticed some white sea anenome/aipstasia things growing on some of my plants about 1 mm long... on some of my crypts mixed in with the hair algae... !

I know these can't be good... I don't even know the name... can anyone help? >____<

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Can you post a photo? Please don't zoom in too close, so it is clear to see whatever it is.

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I'm pretty sure these thing are NOT GOOD....
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I have a question since the photos aren't detailed enough...

You need to get a magnifying glass (or maybe you can see better than the pics)

If they are anchored on something and they extrude into the water and wave around, you may have Hydra. Hydra are teeny little freshwater critters that act like an anemone.
I've never had hydra, so let us know if thats what you have. Some fish eat Hydra.

You do not want to manually remove Hydra (from the glass. You could theoretically cut and remove the leaves it's growing on, but I wouldn't).... Some inverts eat it, some fish eat it. Hydra is pretty harmless to adult fish, but they can sting and even eat really tiny fry.



If they're little worms crawling around, I had those in my 5G soil substrate.
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YES! Thank you, they are hydra! I had heard of them before but could not remember. Do you know any info about them? At least now I can at least research them.

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