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Old 02-18-2010, 05:37 PM   #61
 
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Really, Byron? I got the Red Rubin thinking I could put it in the back right corner of my tank. I wanted it for a background plant. I also got 2 Amazon Swords to serve this purpose.
The green-leaf swords do fine with minimal light. All red-leaf plants will require slightly more light because they reflect red light which is why they appear red, so it takes a bit more to give them what they need. Crypts are a bit different being very low-light plants; I read somewhere why this is, but have forgotten. However, red-leaf swords will do OK but not be as intense red, as I mentioned, mine are reddish-brown. I would get the plants and plant them and observe for a couple weeks before making changes. In your setup they might be quite different. Plants often grow according to their particular environment and the same plant can be different in different tanks.
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:57 PM   #62
 
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Austin, I'm pulling a couple items from the last page or so of posts.

Substrate should be minimum 2 inches at the front (one doesn't plant big root plants along the front, only small root plants or none at all) and minimum 3 but preferably 4 towards the back. Either slope it, or have grades like terraces, made with rock or wood. You can arrange these where you want the larger-rooted plants, like the big swords.

Once again, your light is perfectly adequate for what you're planning in that aquarium. I have less light than that over my 115g, and if anyone cares to look at the photos I defy them to say the plants are suffering from inadequate light. There is still a misconception floating around the hobby that you can't grow plants under less than 2-3 watts of light. As I mention in part 4 of the sticky series, the majority of plants in our aquaria come from very low-light situations. The Echinodorus species are mainly bog plants that grow under the shadow of trees in the forest, and the submersed plants in the Rio Guapore and Rio Negro are in shade. For another thing, applying terms like "low" "medium" and "high" light to any plant is about as accurate as saying you can have 1 inch of fish to a gallon of water. I consider my aquarium to have medium light, many would call it low light. The issue is not what we call it, but whether it is balanced with the nutrients for the plants. I would have difficulty growing some plants, stuff like baby tears or dwarf hairgrass, so I don't bother. I am not about to subject (and stress out)my forest fish to bright light simply to grow one or two odd plants on the substrate.

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Old 02-18-2010, 06:12 PM   #63
 
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Ok =D Thanks for the reply. I think I'm gonna go and order my plants when I get back from petsmart. Hopefully ill find some more gravel there. I'm sure they'll have fertilizer. Thanks for the help guys. (: I'll post again if I have more questions and stuff. XD I think I'm pretty much set for the moment.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:02 PM   #64
 
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Ok =D Thanks for the reply. I think I'm gonna go and order my plants when I get back from petsmart. Hopefully ill find some more gravel there. I'm sure they'll have fertilizer. Thanks for the help guys. (: I'll post again if I have more questions and stuff. XD I think I'm pretty much set for the moment.
I missed the fertilizer issue previously. What are you getting? There are some good and some useless.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:05 PM   #65
 
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I'll attach some pics of the fertilizer I got. :] It was the only one at the store and it looks alright to me. Tell me what you think. I am saving the receipt and not opening so if its not a good one I'll return it. :)

I also bought 10 more pounds of black rocks. They are more of a glossyish color though like normal aquarium gravel. We'll see how a few of them look when I add them to the water before I add it all...

Petsmart had quite a few plants actually, but sweet aquatic still has of course a way better selection, just thought I'd say sweet aquatic's plants are wayyy cheaper than petsmart. :) Which means they have really good prices! :D


:D I'm so excited to be getting live plants! I can't wait!!! :D

And with all the advice on this forum and byron and angel and everyone who has helped me I think I'll be able to end up actually being able to keep the plants alive. :D Unlike my last attempt (I didn't know much... I didn't expect live plants to have so much needs I just thought u put them int he water lol).

Oh and the tetra testing kit has a Co2 test which is good I want to know my CO2 levels... and possibly find some cheap DIY ways to add CO2 to the water? Can't afford a machine to do it... im sure there is methods that are cheap and easy?

How important would u rank keeping the lighting schedule regular? (random)

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Old 02-18-2010, 08:55 PM   #66
 
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I decided in the end to get:

4 Crypts (not potted though, so that means less different plants?) The unpotted ones were cheaper. :X And what's the difference? Won't a single plant grow big anyways?
1 Cryptocoryne Petchii
1 Cryptocoryne Pontederiifolia
1 Cryptocoryne Spiralis
1 Cryptocoryne Walkeri
1 Echinodorus Barthii (Red Melon) Pot
4 Sagittaria Subulata (Dwarf)
1 Hornwort (Ceratophyllum Demersum)
1 Ludwigia Natans (Ludwigia Repens)
1 Water Wisteria (Hygrophila Difformis)
1 Rotala Indica (Rotala Rotundifolia)
1 Anubias Barteri Var. Nana (for the rock)

I will be placing my order shortly ^_^
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:20 PM   #67
 
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I'll attach some pics of the fertilizer I got. :] It was the only one at the store and it looks alright to me. Tell me what you think. I am saving the receipt and not opening so if its not a good one I'll return it. :)
I've not tried this one as I have never seen it locally, but from the info on the label I would think it is very good. Very good indeed. I must try to track it down; I like to try these because some do better than others in different water, and my tap water is zero hardness so I don't have the normal calcium and magnesium that many would, etc. I would expect this to work well.

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Oh and the tetra testing kit has a Co2 test which is good I want to know my CO2 levels... and possibly find some cheap DIY ways to add CO2 to the water? Can't afford a machine to do it... im sure there is methods that are cheap and easy?
If you start a CO2 system you are entering a whole different game. I do not recommend it. Natalie will tell you same as I am that you can grow beautiful healthy plants without added CO2. The biological equilibrium in an aquarium has to establish itself, and adding CO2 sets an entirely different level. It will mean more lights, what you have will be insufficient, and that means excess brightness that is detrimental to forest fish. It will mean daily nutrient fertilization to keep the balance, and that is very expensive and problematic esp with first time planted tank aquarists. I do not recommend CO2 systems.

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Very important, even critical, to have a regular light schedule. Aquatic plants come from areas that have 10 hours of daylight and 10 hours of total complete darkness every day of the year. They must have 10 hours of darkness to function biologically. The 10 hours of daylight (tank lights) can be continuous and vary between 8 and 12 or even more, all depending upon the system. The duration of light not only fuels photosynthesis (providing the nutrients are in balance) but also affects algae. Use a timer, you can buy simple lamp timers in hardware stores for a couple dollars. This is also important for fish but not in the same way as for plants. But both fish and plants must have a period of total darkness (no room lights, nothing) of 10 hours nightly.

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Old 02-19-2010, 01:08 PM   #68
 
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Thanks byron! I'm glad to hear the fertilizer is probably going to work well. :D

So, if I add CO2 you think I will end up adding too much? The test kit I ordered said it had a test to determine CO2 content in the water I believe... so I'd be able to monitor it. I started making a CO2 injector already (I was bored). Used a 2 liter empty soda bottle, and drilled a hole in the lid to stick tubing. I was going to add yeast/sugar to make the CO2, and start it when the plants settled in. I heard that CO2 was the key to having thriving plants? I'll hold out on it for now, though.

I will look into buying a timer. Maybe I'll ask my dad to pick it up when he goes out to the store. I have 8$ left ;) So I can afford a timer I think. ;) If I decide not to get a timer, I'll just set my alarm clock to go off once in the morning to turn it on, and once at night to turn it off. Even if I'm asleep (my sleeping pattern sometimes gets messed up) I'll be able to muster up enough strength to stumble 5 feet from my bed to my fish tank light...

Would 12 hours light and 12 hours dark be alright? Does it have to be pitch black cus sometimes I'm up at night and I like my light on or watching the tv. :/ Maybe I could get something to cover the tank at night...

I used to be very random with the lights now I feel bad for my fish. ):

So it should come on at the same time every day and go off at the same time everyday? or as long as they have enough time with the light and enough time in the dark it will be ok? The timer I currently have in my dad's and my's salt water tank is very difficult to set and I think it goes on and off at different times each day... and if I know my dad he got the cheapest timer so hopefully they have some decent cheap ones. xD
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:24 PM   #69
 
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You can get a very simple to operate timer at PetSmart for $9.99 or Home Depot or Lowe's for about $7-$8. Mine goes on at 12:00pm and off at 10:00pm everyday. The light from your TV is fine. I wouldn't worry about trying to find something to cover the tank, but like Byron stated, the consistancy in lighting is a must.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:31 PM   #70
 
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Thanks byron! I'm glad to hear the fertilizer is probably going to work well. :D

So, if I add CO2 you think I will end up adding too much? The test kit I ordered said it had a test to determine CO2 content in the water I believe... so I'd be able to monitor it. I started making a CO2 injector already (I was bored). Used a 2 liter empty soda bottle, and drilled a hole in the lid to stick tubing. I was going to add yeast/sugar to make the CO2, and start it when the plants settled in. I heard that CO2 was the key to having thriving plants? I'll hold out on it for now, though.

I will look into buying a timer. Maybe I'll ask my dad to pick it up when he goes out to the store. I have 8$ left ;) So I can afford a timer I think. ;) If I decide not to get a timer, I'll just set my alarm clock to go off once in the morning to turn it on, and once at night to turn it off. Even if I'm asleep (my sleeping pattern sometimes gets messed up) I'll be able to muster up enough strength to stumble 5 feet from my bed to my fish tank light...

Would 12 hours light and 12 hours dark be alright? Does it have to be pitch black cus sometimes I'm up at night and I like my light on or watching the tv. :/ Maybe I could get something to cover the tank at night...

I used to be very random with the lights now I feel bad for my fish. ):

So it should come on at the same time every day and go off at the same time everyday? or as long as they have enough time with the light and enough time in the dark it will be ok? The timer I currently have in my dad's and my's salt water tank is very difficult to set and I think it goes on and off at different times each day... and if I know my dad he got the cheapest timer so hopefully they have some decent cheap ones. xD
Lights should be on and off at the same time every day, as I said before. Make sure there is other light in the room both times; tank lights should never come on or go off in a totally dark room. A lamp or daylight is fine, but never darkness, it scares the fish.

I am not going to say any more about CO2, I do not recommend it, you're asking for trouble. It is a totally different world, as I thought I'd explained previously. Your light is not sufficient to balance it, and you will not have sufficient nutrients. Don't know how I can better put it, so I won't.
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