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Old 02-18-2010, 11:20 AM   #41
 
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I was torn between the Red Melon and the Red Rubin. I got the Red Rubin (I think because it grew taller). I hope I like it...
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:31 AM   #42
 
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@byron: I swear I read the stickies. Dx I thought that you wanted an iron suppliment to put int he soil near the swords and such since they are heavy root feeders... If you think it would be better not to, then I will not do that.

By stemmed plants you mean the crypts? I should probably reduce that down to 2 and get rid of 2.

Would 5 or so saggitarius be ok? Since they reproduce quickly?

@angel: Ok, I'll probably go with just those 3 then. Honestly I was buying a variety because they are cheap, and since I'm new to this I'm expecting I'm going to end up killing some of them..... =x And I want to avoid ordering in the future so I don't have to pay another shipping charge. Shipping kills online shopping. :/ I already bought the test kit from walmart.com. The shipping was only 97 cents so that was a good deal. :] The filter I am going to buy is the 300 and my friend bought me a egift card just enough to pay for that (giving him my best buy gift card in exchange for the walmart etc gift cards.) Soo I'll probably check petsmart later and see if I can find a good fertilizer. Also the shipping for the filter is 9$, but I'm sure I'd have to spend a fortune to get free shipping. 20$ for a filter is not that bad though... I spent like 35$ on this HOB filter.

@everything: Still curious about the light. I know you said that its the right one but maybe I have a defective bulb? Is it supposed to be this dull looking? I noticed the other one is more red/blue/purplish. This one has a more green/red tint to it... Like dull office lighting. Guessing it's right but I just need some... more... assurance I guess. DX

Also I'm gonna read up on CO2 and stuff for planted aquariums so I might have questions later on.

Thanks for dealing with me everyone... I know I've asked a lot of stupid questions and stuff so I apologize. ><

I'll narrow down my plant list a bit later and post it! I'm cleaning the house right now for some moneyy. :) Just came on for a sec.

Edit: @byron: You replied while I was typing. That red plant is very beautiful! :D If that's what it's gonna look like I'll be really happy with it.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:52 AM   #43
 
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Can anyone help me decide which 2 crypts to get? I think I have an idea after that of what my updated list will be then I'll see what y'all think. ^_^
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:17 PM   #44
 
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@byron: I swear I read the stickies. Dx I thought that you wanted an iron suppliment to put int he soil near the swords and such since they are heavy root feeders... If you think it would be better not to, then I will not do that.

By stemmed plants you mean the crypts? I should probably reduce that down to 2 and get rid of 2.

Would 5 or so saggitarius be ok? Since they reproduce quickly?

@angel: Ok, I'll probably go with just those 3 then. Honestly I was buying a variety because they are cheap, and since I'm new to this I'm expecting I'm going to end up killing some of them..... =x And I want to avoid ordering in the future so I don't have to pay another shipping charge. Shipping kills online shopping. :/ I already bought the test kit from walmart.com. The shipping was only 97 cents so that was a good deal. :] The filter I am going to buy is the 300 and my friend bought me a egift card just enough to pay for that (giving him my best buy gift card in exchange for the walmart etc gift cards.) Soo I'll probably check petsmart later and see if I can find a good fertilizer. Also the shipping for the filter is 9$, but I'm sure I'd have to spend a fortune to get free shipping. 20$ for a filter is not that bad though... I spent like 35$ on this HOB filter.

@everything: Still curious about the light. I know you said that its the right one but maybe I have a defective bulb? Is it supposed to be this dull looking? I noticed the other one is more red/blue/purplish. This one has a more green/red tint to it... Like dull office lighting. Guessing it's right but I just need some... more... assurance I guess. DX

Also I'm gonna read up on CO2 and stuff for planted aquariums so I might have questions later on.

Thanks for dealing with me everyone... I know I've asked a lot of stupid questions and stuff so I apologize. ><

I'll narrow down my plant list a bit later and post it! I'm cleaning the house right now for some moneyy. :) Just came on for a sec.

Edit: @byron: You replied while I was typing. That red plant is very beautiful! :D If that's what it's gonna look like I'll be really happy with it.
To confirm, you do not need iron supplementation; you need a balanced fertilizer that includes iron in proportion with the other 15 mineral nutrients.

Crypts are substrate-root plants, not stem plants. I would keep all four, they are very slow growers, remain compact, very lovely plants. They are very, very fussy--do not like being moved once in the tank, and do not like any changes in water parameters or conditions. They will frequently "melt" if the pH, hardness, temperature, light is changed sufficiently, or if they are disturbed. But they are worth it, they are a unique group of plants, some have reddish or reddish-brown leaves and being low light plants this is a real benefit in the aquarium because other red-leaf plants frequently need more light.

Your light is far better for plants, and in my view for viewing, as the fish and plant colours will be true, not distorted. And I assure you, it has sufficient intensity for your tank.

Sagitarius spreads very fast once it is settled, after a couple months in my experience. I have it popping up all over my 90g. It send out substrate runners with daughter plants arising along them, similar to pygmy chain swords and Vallisneria. I would only get one or two S plants. At the first it may look "thin" but they grow out.

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Old 02-18-2010, 12:20 PM   #45
 
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I was torn between the Red Melon and the Red Rubin. I got the Red Rubin (I think because it grew taller). I hope I like it...
You will. Just plant it in the "open" so it gets direct light, not in a corner or back. They need light, and in low-tech setups like mine they do fine provided they have the benefit of the direct light.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:24 PM   #46
 
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That's the one Austin listed, Echinodorus X barterii "Red Melon". It is a cultivar developed by Tropica I believe. I do have one (not the one in the photo) and mine is a bit smaller and more brownish-red than red, due to the other conditions in the aquarium. It has sent out flower spikes a couple of times and I have a couple of daughter plants in my spare plant tank.
the sword in the picture in my opinion is a Melon Sword (Echinodorus Osiris) . The swords are often mistaken for each other. The red melon Sword grows short leaves off the crown that will grow across the substrate and doesn't grow long stems. This is a pic of a true red melon sword. Echinodorus x barthii

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The plants will be fine being shipped USPS priority mail (2-3 days)
I would consider your tank to be low light. The plants you listed would work except the cabomba green (cabomba caroliniana). You might consider upgrading your light to a twin tube to give you a better range of plants you can keep.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:35 PM   #47
 
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the sword in the picture in my opinion is a Melon Sword (Echinodorus Osiris) . The swords are often mistaken for each other. The red melon Sword grows short leaves off the crown that will grow across the substrate and doesn't grow long stems. This is a pic of a true red melon sword. Echinodorus x barthii
They look near identical to me. The photo I attached was one I just grabbed from Plant Finder, labelled E. X barthii. I certainly agree, identifying Echinodorus can be tricky, since they do grow slightly differently under differing tank conditions.

I have both E. osiris "Melon" and E. barthii "Red Melson" in my 90g, and growing in the same tank they are very close in appearance though distinctly different species. I bought them in a local store, the tags are from Florida Aquatic Nurseries.

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:23 PM   #48
 
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Aww, so I have low lighting? D: I thought it would be somewhere around medium... if it's low lighting the plants won't grow very quick will they? :X The only lights I could find were very expensive around 80$...

Good new though, guys! :o I was getting rid of old clothes and I found 40$ in one of the pockets. O.o very weird cus I hadn't worn those pants for 5 years I'm sure. Back when I was 12 40$ was a ton! How could I lose it! :o But anyways. If I get 20$ worth of plants, 11$ for shipping, and I get paid 10-15$ for cleaning... I have 8$ as well I forgot about for a sec. Maybe my bro would buy my iTunes gift card and Dave & Buster's which I will never use... Or I could sell the gift cards online maybe. W/O the gift cards that'll give me around 30-40$ for lights already I think. And if they are 80$ for the ones I've seen, maybe I could end up getting them. Oh, and if I did decide to get the new light hood I could return the 7$ flourescent bulb to walmart (if I decide to do it soon... and haven't used it a lot)...

Ok so since I have some newfound wealth can anyone recommend me a better lighting hood and show me where i could buy one? My tank is a standard 29g its 30" long. Unless you guys truly think this light is going to promote good growth. I don't really want sufficient I want something that's going to be very good for the plants. :] And cause them to grow nicely.

Oh and I'm sad to hear about the cabomba caroliniana. It looked very nice I liked the red color! D: I don't think I had many other red-y plants on the list besides the sword.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:05 PM   #49
 
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Really, Byron? I got the Red Rubin thinking I could put it in the back right corner of my tank. I wanted it for a background plant. I also got 2 Amazon Swords to serve this purpose.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:23 PM   #50
 
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So, I went through and decided what plants I will get I think.

1 Cryptocoryne Petchii
1Cryptocoryne Pontederiifolia
1 Cryptocoryne Spiralis
1 Cryptocoryne Walkeri
1 Echinodorus Barthii (Red Melon) Pot
4 Sagittaria Subulata (Dwarf)
1 Ludwigia Natans (Ludwigia Repens) (though it might be harder I'm going to try it. it's too pretty not to.
1 Water Wisteria (Hygrophila Difformis)
1 Rotala Indica (Rotala Rotundifolia)
1 Anubias Barteri Var. Nana


Thinking of getting the Anubias and not the java moss since I think I like the anubias better... not sure I have a ton of room on my rocks so I think I only want 1 plant to put on the rocks.


This puts me at:

Total Items: 13 Weight: 0.98lbs Amount: $19.15

which is a great price. :)

This sound good?

btw still looking for lighting recommendations ^
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