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Old 02-17-2010, 12:35 PM   #11
 
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I never found it on the website either. I bought GE brand in "Daylight" at 6500k from Lowe's. Your hood takes 2 24" bulbs, right? The length and wattage will be labeled right on the packaging.
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:37 PM   #12
 
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I think it only takes 1 bulb. :/ Does that mean 20W won't be enough? D:

Also, Will it be necessary to have a canister filter? :/ I looked them up and they are way more than I can pay atm... so I don't think I'll be able to switch if a canister filter is necessary to keep the plants healthy.
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Old 02-17-2010, 02:34 PM   #13
 
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Austin, from some of your questions I take it you haven't yet read the series of stickies on setting up a natural planted tank. You will find a lot of info there and hopefully it will be such that you will see the connections. I can't go into all that here, but oxygen in planted tanks for fish is never an issue. And the filter is explained there; on a 29g a simple sponge filter is sufficient, you don't need a canister.

One thing on the light, you only need to know the length of the tube that fits your fixture. All tubes that length will be the same wattage or might be less because of new tubes that use less energy (watts) for equal light output. Just make sure it is a full spectrum or daylight type, with a kelvin rating around 6500K (6700K is fine, 6000K is fine).

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Old 02-17-2010, 02:41 PM   #14
 
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Thank you for the information. :) I actually read the stickies directly after posting my 1st post. I read through them pretty quickly though and might not have absorbed all the information. I'll read them again later. Right now I'm going to buy the light. Sorry for the repetitive questions. D: I guess I'll look into buying a sponge filter later on.

I know that my filter is not suitable for planted tanks but is there any way to make it work? Maybe I'll hold out on plants and just get the light and keep my java moss that's already in there until I can afford proper filtration and stuff.

Thanks for the info. :)
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Old 02-17-2010, 04:16 PM   #15
 
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What light did you wind up buying?
Like my fixture is for up to 40w on the 10g but I use CFLs there so while its using the power of 7w bulb its actually giving off as much light as a 20w or something like that. And that works real great.

What kinda filter do you have on there right now a HOB?

For the water you can call your local water company they'll be able to tell you the hardness & the pH that's coming out of your tap.

Here's how I'd arrange the purchases there needed in order:
New light from home store <$10
Liquid testkit from Tetra @ Walmart $17
Plants for a well planted 29g anywhere form $10-20 (dep on what plants you like)
Filter either rework what you have or spent $8 for a sponge or $12-15 for a internal filter (Pers with your fish and tank I'd go with a internal filter)
So you'd look at a total of anywhere from $45-60 for the whole conversion and have everything that's needed for a perfect set up there.
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Old 02-17-2010, 04:35 PM   #16
 
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Thank you for the information. :) I actually read the stickies directly after posting my 1st post. I read through them pretty quickly though and might not have absorbed all the information. I'll read them again later. Right now I'm going to buy the light. Sorry for the repetitive questions. D: I guess I'll look into buying a sponge filter later on.

I know that my filter is not suitable for planted tanks but is there any way to make it work? Maybe I'll hold out on plants and just get the light and keep my java moss that's already in there until I can afford proper filtration and stuff.

Thanks for the info. :)
The HOB filter will work short-term. If it is a waterfall, not much you can do to slow it down. But if it has a return spout, you can make diffusers from sponge and such, I think Angel079 has done this so she will probably comment.

And questions are fine, none of us mind questions. But as I read you latest posts earlier I saw a series of questions that require fairly detailed answers that have all been covered in the stickies, and rather than me or others taking a lot of time to repeat what is right there, we recommend you have a good read. We use stickies in all sections of the forum to cover basics for this reason.

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Old 02-17-2010, 05:03 PM   #17
 
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@angel:

Sweet, that's not a bad price. I didn't know sponge filters were so cheap! I'll probably convert when I get much more live plants?? Don't I need the stronger filter for now since I have barely any plants? Minus the live plants, which I'll add slowly later on, it seems pretty cheap to convert.

I'll buy the test kit probably online I might possibly have a petsmart gift card somewhere.

I ended up buying a GE daylight T12 20W 6500k flourescent bulb... I can't tell if its compact flourescent or not??

I'll attach a picture of the box.

Also I find the light very... ugly... It's not as white as my old light was... My tank almost looks tented green, it's very odd. It doesn't look as bright as I had expected it to be. I'm not really happy with the coloring though... totally does not bring out the fish's color so idk... :/

I bought some Aponogeton Bulbs to see how they do. :p I bought them before when I didn't know about proper lighting and stuff and they sprouted and looked ok. :) Maybe now they'll grow and flourish! :D

Blah come to think of it... it's not a compact flourescent unless they just don't label it. :/ I'll prolly end up back at walmart?


Edit: ugg there was something I was gonna say then forgot. bahhh.

Edit Again: Oh, I think I was gonna say I got a T12 cus I couldn't find a T8 with 6500K. Alsooo I was gonna ask does the government have a website that can tell me the water PH and hardness from local water?
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Old 02-17-2010, 05:19 PM   #18
 
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That's a good tube you bought. It has the ideal spectrum (6500K) and it has good intensity (1025 lumens). When you get live plants it will be quite a different look, and the fish will brighten up among plants.

I've never run across that GE tube, must see if I can track it down up here.
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Old 02-17-2010, 05:29 PM   #19
 
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It was just what walmart happened to have that looked like it had the right K and it says daylight like I was told to get.

So it's fine for my 29 gallon tank you think?

Though honestly the light looks so uglyyy to me. It's not as white it makes everything look greener... it looks how it did when i was treating the ich with the malachite green (or blue i cant remember) and it looks very dim! I thought it'd be a lot brighter for the plants. Ya sure it's strong enough?


Edit: Random... but you can see my frog in the pic. :D He's swimming around a lot more and stuff lately. He seems happy even with all the fish and ya... though I'm told I shouldn't have gotten him. (too late now though >< and I hate giving the pet store animals cus I think they'll either die in the tanks there or some stupid person will buy it and it'll live in worse conditions or die.


Oh, and should I expect a java moss boom now? XD The java moss didn't grow really before.

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Old 02-17-2010, 06:36 PM   #20
 
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Here's the sponge I'd buy was this my tank Bio Foam Double Sponge Filters, Sponge Filters | Pet Solutions generally I buy all my tank supplies at that webpage.
Or the Cascade 300 here which will be plenty sfficicent for that sized tank trust me (they're strong filters) Cascade Internal Filters, Internal Filters | Pet Solutions

That's the exact same bulbs I have over my 55 &45g now (same brand same all).
If you don't like the color, bring it back and get the same one that's called "Sunlight" lil less kelvin (5000k and 2800 lumens) but works just as fine with the plants.


T8 or T12 is the size of the bulbs you need to look at your hood what's gonna fit in to it!!!

Edit: Take a picture of how your HOB is hooked to the tank so maybe we can see about changing it to make it work for plants (with some HOBs you can do it other's are uhm well junk lol)
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