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Old 05-21-2012, 06:23 PM   #21
 
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Should I let the plants establish for a few weeks before I introduce the endlers livebearers into the tank or will the plants be unaffected?
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:38 PM   #22
 
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Should I let the plants establish for a few weeks before I introduce the endlers livebearers into the tank or will the plants be unaffected?
Once the plants are in (they are now) you can add the fish, the Endlers will be fine, though I would still get some floating plants, they use a lot of ammonia. On the hardscape, that lava rock looks nice. I would get two smallish bits of Malaysian Driftwood as well, so one rock formation and two bits of wood. Dončt put the rock centre, off-centre is more natural.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:50 PM   #23
 
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here is the complication my girlfriend doesn't really want to put floating plants in the tank. eventually I might be able to convince her though. what species would you recommend? on the bright side I'm sure she will be excited to hear she can get endlers this weekend. she really wants to see the babies lol !

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Once the plants are in (they are now) you can add the fish, the Endlers will be fine, though I would still get some floating plants, they use a lot of ammonia. On the hardscape, that lava rock looks nice. I would get two smallish bits of Malaysian Driftwood as well, so one rock formation and two bits of wood. Dončt put the rock centre, off-centre is more natural.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:41 AM   #24
 
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here is the complication my girlfriend doesn't really want to put floating plants in the tank. eventually I might be able to convince her though. what species would you recommend? on the bright side I'm sure she will be excited to hear she can get endlers this weekend. she really wants to see the babies lol !
The floating plants are the guarantee that fish introduced now will survive, so tell her that. Water Sprite is good, or many stem plants left floating, like Brazilian Pennywort, Cabomba, Wisteria. The Pennywort looks the best of these floating. But even something as mundane as duckweed will help the fish initially.
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Old 05-22-2012, 04:02 PM   #25
 
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I will ask her about the brazilian pennywort and I'm sure if I tell her that she can only add fish now If she buys it her opinion of floating plants will instantly improve. Could I plant the pennywort and let the branches grow up to the surface and float?
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Old 05-22-2012, 04:08 PM   #26
 
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I will ask her about the brazilian pennywort and I'm sure if I tell her that she can only add fish now If she buys it her opinion of floating plants will instantly improve. Could I plant the pennywort and let the branches grow up to the surface and float?
Yes. The lower leaves on the stems may die off, I've had this sometimes and not other times when the pennywort starts growing across the surface. This is because the surface leaves are closest to the light, so the plant directs its energy there.
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Yes. The lower leaves on the stems may die off, I've had this sometimes and not other times when the pennywort starts growing across the surface. This is because the surface leaves are closest to the light, so the plant directs its energy there.
Oh okay that makes sense! So the LFS has a dozen endlers livebearers in but unfortunantly they are all males. I spoke to the manager over the phone and he said that he would talk to the supply company and she if they have females available. I guess usually no one wants the females. If he can't get them I might have to order them from online but the shipping will probably kill me.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:55 PM   #28
 
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Oh okay that makes sense! So the LFS has a dozen endlers livebearers in but unfortunantly they are all males. I spoke to the manager over the phone and he said that he would talk to the supply company and she if they have females available. I guess usually no one wants the females. If he can't get them I might have to order them from online but the shipping will probably kill me.
All males is best, unless of course you wanted to deliberately breed them. If you have males and females, you will need 2-3 females per male, and you will have regular batches of fry and need alternate tanks to rear them in.
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All males is best, unless of course you wanted to deliberately breed them. If you have males and females, you will need 2-3 females per male, and you will have regular batches of fry and need alternate tanks to rear them in.
yes I was going to deliberately breed them. I was planning on getting one male and two females. I am going to set up an aquarium for an african leaf fish so any surplus fry would go to him lol ! based on the research I have done the fry of endlers livebearers are bigger than the parents mouths so they can be successfully raised in the same tank as their parents.
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:41 PM   #30
 
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yes I was going to deliberately breed them. I was planning on getting one male and two females. I am going to set up an aquarium for an african leaf fish so any surplus fry would go to him lol ! based on the research I have done the fry of endlers livebearers are bigger than the parents mouths so they can be successfully raised in the same tank as their parents.
True, but bear in mind that this adds to the bioload. Also, each female can deliver up to 25 fry about every 20 days. Just so you know.
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