aquascaping a 12 eclipse - Page 2 - Tropical Fish Keeping - Aquarium fish care and resources
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 12:14 PM Thread Starter
I think all of the grass type plants are dwarf sagitarra. I added seachem excel to the tank. How long do you think it will take for the plants to growing?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron View Post
|Give it time to settle in. And some floating plants...did I mention floating plants?

The two small plants look similar, if the front are Dwarf Sagittaria as you earlier suggested, the back ones may be pygmy chain sword.

Plant fertilizer should be added, a complete liquid like Flourish Comprehensive Supplement or FlorinMulti, which I also think I mentinoed...somewhere.
Posted via Mobile Device
hotshotdevil32 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 02:09 PM
Member
 
Byron's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshotdevil32 View Post
I think all of the grass type plants are dwarf sagitarra. I added seachem excel to the tank. How long do you think it will take for the plants to growing?


Posted via Mobile Device
They will grow immediately, but you may not see anything. They will develop roots and then new leaves from the centre of the crown. Runners will appear. It's hard to say exactly when, as it all depends upon many factors.

Excel is a carbon supplement and I do not recommend it. The Flourish Comprehensive Supplement is the complete nutrient fertilizer you will likely need.

Byron Hosking, BMus, MA
Vancouver, BC, Canada

The aquarist is one who must learn the ways of the biologist, the chemist, and the veterinarian. [unknown source]

Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
Byron is offline  
post #13 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 02:32 PM
1) For the lights, a friend of mine runs the larger eclipse systems and he has trouble growing high light plants. However, his low-mid light plants do fine.

2) The stem plant looks like rotala indica. It roots very quickly. The others all look like sagittaria subuluta. Both are plants that can do ok with your current light. However, the way they grow will vary depending on actual intensity. The rotala will grow shorter nodes and give a bushier look under more powerful light, longer nodes if the light is lacking. The sagittaria will grow longer leaves if the light is insufficient and shorter leaves if the lights are stronger. Both are hardy plants that will root fairly quickly. My rotala indica was shooting out long roots within 2-3 days of planting.

3) From the picture, it looks like the rotala indica is still tied by the lead weights. Its recommended to lose the weights and plant the stems into the gravel directly. The lead, although many say its safe, can potentially leek metals into your water. The plants should be rooting soon and the lead weights will be harder to manage when its anchored into the gravel so it might be a good idea to take the weights off and plant the stem. It might float for the first couple of days, just gently stick it back into the gravel.

4) I dose excel in my tanks with flourish comprehensive. They work well together, but you must be careful with excel as it can be very damaging, even to plants, if too much is used. Also some plants take better to excel than others. I am not sure if either of these plants do. For the acclimation period, i would avoid excel until you see healthy growth. Once that happens you can dose excel. If you see improved growth in a week, then keep dosing. If you do not see improved growth, then don't bother with the excel. (This is just the method I use, there are other ways to fertilize plants with carbon or using excel).
SinCrisis is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to SinCrisis For This Useful Post:
hotshotdevil32 (05-21-2012)
post #14 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 03:59 PM Thread Starter

Im sorry I am gettting confused about which plant is which. I edited the full tank shot in MS paint and put a number by each plant. could you name them by number please? I know that the tank certainly doesn't have high light but the plants I currently have in the tank should be alright than? I will leave the lead weight on for one more day so that the plants will have sufficient root structure. Is that alright? Unfortunately I have already dosed with the excel once. I will be sure to get some of the seachem comprehensive but when I bought the plants they only had excel so I figured I would give it a shot. hopefully it doesn't do any harm

"Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts." - Henry Blaha
hotshotdevil32 is offline  
post #15 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 04:09 PM
1: Rotalia Indica

2-5: Sagittaria Subulata

6: Unkown.

The lead can be left on for the roots if you want, its just better to not disturb the roots after they have grown. You may damage the roots and prolong the acclimation period. Also, if the roots grow around the weight, it will be hard to get it off without damaging the plant.

Last edited by SinCrisis; 05-21-2012 at 04:12 PM.
SinCrisis is offline  
post #16 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 04:14 PM Thread Starter
I believe six is some kind of Anubis. In the store it was very large 24" tall maybe, and it had red spots on the leaves. he pulled off one of the shoots for me. hopefully that gives you some kind of clue. looking through an aquarium reference book I have it looks closest to an African tiger lotus

"Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts." - Henry Blaha
hotshotdevil32 is offline  
post #17 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 04:51 PM
in my opinion, from the pictures, I think there's a good chance it is the terrestrial version of the melon sword. If it is, those leaves will die off soon and replaced by longer copper red leaves. However, it is very hard to tell from the pictures as they are not clear.
SinCrisis is offline  
post #18 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 05:04 PM Thread Starter
Quote:
Originally Posted by SinCrisis View Post
in my opinion, from the pictures, I think there's a good chance it is the terrestrial version of the melon sword. If it is, those leaves will die off soon and replaced by longer copper red leaves. However, it is very hard to tell from the pictures as they are not clear.
I'm am sorry about the pictures but as I said before my girlfriend took them not me. Any ideas for the aquascaping sin crisis?

"Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts." - Henry Blaha
hotshotdevil32 is offline  
post #19 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 05:19 PM
For aquascaping,

1) Hardscape: You don't seem to have any non-plant decorations except he gravel. Did you want some major features such as a rock, driftwood, ornamant? However, a basic thing that you can do now before you decide on hardscape features is to slope your gravel upwards towards the back. It gives the illusion of depth and the tank will look a little deeper than it is now. Another is to add a dark background. Something like a solid black background will further the feeling of depth in the tank.

2) S. Subulata is a great foreground to midground plant. Seeing as none of us here are 100% sure how powerful your lights are, i would leave them midground until you find how tall they are growing. THe melon sword will get big, I would leave it in the background. Same as the R. indica. The R. indica is a good plant to create a bushy effect. Once hte plants are established. You can cut them, a few nodes from the bottom. Make sure you leave some leaves. Usually, the plant will grow 2 stems from that point on. Repeat over a few weeks and replant the tops and you should have a nice bushy bunch of plants in the back after a couple months.

3) Equipment hiding: A dark background will help with this. Since the Eclipse is a ll in 1 hood/filter, you can't do anything about the intake pipe so you just need a background that makes the pipe harder to see. For the heater, it looks like you have a submersible heater so one trick is to lay it horizontal across the back so the plants hide it.

Specific locations cant be determined until you finalize what you want for your hardscape. Often, the placement of rocks and driftwood will be huge factors in getting the effect you want. Gnarly branchy driftwood for that foresty look, large rocks for a more river look. There's are lots of options for hardscape placement.
SinCrisis is offline  
post #20 of 49 Old 05-21-2012, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
I would be happy to slope the gravel but I won't be able to do this untill the weekend. the tank isn't in my house don't forget. I was definitely going to get some non-plant decorations I just haven't gotten the chance yet. I was thinking two pieces of small drift wood Hopefully kind of knotted branchy one that the fish and shrimp can hid in. Ideally I would look for a log for second piece and set it up so some of the S. Subulata was in front of it and some of it was growing up behind it. I think it might create a very cool effect. Infact just thinking about it are there any kinds of aquatic mosses. that might look very cool! also the more I look at some of the artificial rock decorations the more appealing they are to me. Here is a nice one.

RockGarden Sculptured Lava Rock at PETCO

Quote:
Originally Posted by SinCrisis View Post
For aquascaping,

1) Hardscape: You don't seem to have any non-plant decorations except he gravel. Did you want some major features such as a rock, driftwood, ornamant? However, a basic thing that you can do now before you decide on hardscape features is to slope your gravel upwards towards the back. It gives the illusion of depth and the tank will look a little deeper than it is now. Another is to add a dark background. Something like a solid black background will further the feeling of depth in the tank. I can't wait for the plants to start growing so I can propagate them as you described. i was hoping to create that curtain of tall plants in the back of the tank if you know what I mean. How long does it usually take for a stem to regrow after it is trimmed? will the S. Subulata spread horizontally on it's own. I will also be buying a black background for the tank hopefully on friday.

2) S. Subulata is a great foreground to midground plant. Seeing as none of us here are 100% sure how powerful your lights are, i would leave them midground until you find how tall they are growing. THe melon sword will get big, I would leave it in the background. Same as the R. indica. The R. indica is a good plant to create a bushy effect. Once hte plants are established. You can cut them, a few nodes from the bottom. Make sure you leave some leaves. Usually, the plant will grow 2 stems from that point on. Repeat over a few weeks and replant the tops and you should have a nice bushy bunch of plants in the back after a couple months.

3) Equipment hiding: A dark background will help with this. Since the Eclipse is a ll in 1 hood/filter, you can't do anything about the intake pipe so you just need a background that makes the pipe harder to see. For the heater, it looks like you have a submersible heater so one trick is to lay it horizontal across the back so the plants hide it.

Specific locations cant be determined until you finalize what you want for your hardscape. Often, the placement of rocks and driftwood will be huge factors in getting the effect you want. Gnarly branchy driftwood for that foresty look, large rocks for a more river look. There's are lots of options for hardscape placement.

"Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts." - Henry Blaha
hotshotdevil32 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I need some help with Aquascaping... fattail95 Beginner Freshwater Aquarium 7 11-09-2010 06:42 PM
re aquascaping newby30gallon Beginner Saltwater Aquariums 9 03-13-2010 11:26 AM
Need Help Aquascaping! x2fast4everyone Beginner Planted Aquarium 4 01-18-2010 05:29 PM
aquascaping Rogergolf66 Beginner Saltwater Aquariums 12 05-02-2008 11:50 PM
Aquascaping Howl52 Beginner Freshwater Aquarium 12 04-15-2007 09:32 AM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome