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Old 12-26-2009, 02:45 AM   #11
 
How new is your tank rsheets? a month?

Am planning to get it but my tank is under medication now, thus I think adding plants might not be a good idea.. Or is it ok?
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Old 12-26-2009, 04:59 PM   #12
 
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Yea with the ick med's you're better up waiting till your done and had a large w/c done before adding it. You could "test" if its gonna be OK, but why risk it if all you gotta do is wait a few days...
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:18 PM   #13
 
No, mytank is about 3 months. But It is soooo messed up right now! Ammonia is sky high! Keep putting ammolock in, so at least it is keeping my fish alive for now. I'm trying to keep the Ph low as well to make it less deadly.

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How new is your tank rsheets? a month?

Am planning to get it but my tank is under medication now, thus I think adding plants might not be a good idea.. Or is it ok?
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:53 AM   #14
 
Was thinking of trying to add some java moss in but how severe can the meds be to the plant?

As for the update of the disease, there is a 3rd casualty. Others are doing good but white spots are still visible on most my cardinals. It has been 7days after meds now. Is it normal?
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:38 PM   #15
 
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Was thinking of trying to add some java moss in but how severe can the meds be to the plant?

As for the update of the disease, there is a 3rd casualty. Others are doing good but white spots are still visible on most my cardinals. It has been 7days after meds now. Is it normal?
First, what medication/treatment did you use for ich? And you are certain it was ich--I'm not being silly, but there are other parasite and protozoan diseases that can look much the same, but if you've had previous experience with ich you'll recognize it easily.

Once we know the specific med and how you treated the tank, we may have more suggestions. If the med was effective (some are not) ich should be gone after a week.

As for the plants, the issue with ich meds is that most are copper based. Copper is a heavy metal and therefore toxic to all life, plant and fish. However, at a low level it is effective on parasites, and at even lower level one of the micro-nutrients plants require, so it is found in most aquatic plant fertilizers. But the problem with adding it for ich and such is that the strength has to be higher, and sometimes plants will be set back and some may possibly be killed if severe enough. In an established planted tank little harm usually occurs to plants, but I would not add new plants until you are able to stop medication and do a significant water change. But more may follow here too once we know the med you used.

Lastly, going back to an earlier question in this thread, I agree with Angel that you do not need much of a water flow in planted tanks, unless the fish are one of the species that come from fast streams and would benefit. I have written at length on the reasons for low flow, here is one thread, have a read of Post #2 for the explanation:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...tioning-33481/

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Old 12-28-2009, 02:21 AM   #16
 
I think it is ich as i have encountered it before and have read a lot on the net about it. I sure hope I did not diagnosed it wrongly. As i don't have a camera with me now, I can't post a picture of it. But will keep a close eye on them in the next few days. The 3 that died from it has a lot of white speckles on it, that I can be sure.

The med I am using is called MR.Aqua anti whitespots for freshwater fish, not too sure if it is available in the US as i think its a local brand. It did not state what kind of chemical it is but one of the description of it would be that it is yellow/greenish in color when i dosed it. But the color of the water does not change at all after that.

Ok, If that is so, I will not be acquiring any plants till the tank is free of meds. Thanks for the thorough explanation byron
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:22 PM   #17
 
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I think it is ich as i have encountered it before and have read a lot on the net about it. I sure hope I did not diagnosed it wrongly. As i don't have a camera with me now, I can't post a picture of it. But will keep a close eye on them in the next few days. The 3 that died from it has a lot of white speckles on it, that I can be sure.

The med I am using is called MR.Aqua anti whitespots for freshwater fish, not too sure if it is available in the US as i think its a local brand. It did not state what kind of chemical it is but one of the description of it would be that it is yellow/greenish in color when i dosed it. But the color of the water does not change at all after that.

Ok, If that is so, I will not be acquiring any plants till the tank is free of meds. Thanks for the thorough explanation byron
I don't know that product. "Green" might indicate it has malachite green in it, a common treatment for parasites and such, and also toxic to plants in varying degrees. But this is just a guess, green could be any number of things. I suppose there is no list of what's in it on the label?

If it is available there, the best thing I have used on ich and any other parasite is Aquari-Sol. It does contain copper, but not much, and is the only copper-based remedy I am aware of that can be used full strength even with sensitive fish. Most ich copper-base remedies suggest half-dose if there are tetras and catfish, as these are especially sensitive to copper (and all chems and meds actually). I have had luck with Aquari-Sol and no deaths as a result, and no effect that I could discern on my plants.

Another widely-used remedy is salt. Raise the temp to low 80's F and add common salt. I never use this myself as salt is also a problem with some fish like mine, and Aquari-Sol works so I prefer what I know that is somewhat less risky. Those who use salt can jump in with the amount needed. After a week the ich should be gone. Plants also do not like salt, so again wait for the treatment to end before adding new plants.

Good luck.

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Old 12-29-2009, 12:05 AM   #18
 
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i have the hardest time with java moss. in my tank its so slow compared to other plants in my tank! thats just my experience with it. I hear other great experieicnes with it though
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:39 PM   #19
 
Yea, heard about the salt treatment but was not too sure about at first and was worried at that time of the outbreak, thus went with the medication route. Hope it works. There's only a few speckles of white spot left on the cardinals, in other words, it is doing well and all is eating well. Hope that they will be rid of ich in a few days to come. Unfortunately, there is no list of label on the med bottle suggesting what kind of med it is.

I see, java moss can be difficult, will take that into account. Will nevertheless give it a try. Will definitely update you guys on the progress of it once my tank is rid of meds and with the 1st batch of java moss going into my tank. hehe
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Old 01-01-2010, 02:24 AM   #20
 
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I'm fairly new to the aquarium experience. But when I bought my first piece of wood from my Local Fish Store I had quit a few questions. How long will it take my wood to sink? Will it always float? How do I know if I have Bog wood, or Drift wood? Can I stop my wood from turning my tank colors?

First of all, it's not always easy to find out which pieces of wood will sink and which will float. However, from my experience, their are companies that label their wood as 'driftwood'. However, I haven't used their products, but from a few online sources, not all their wood will continue to float after months of soaking. Also, their are some wood that are swept away by the ocean, and float across from shore to shore as hosts. Long story short, you won't know if the wood you have will sink or float. Sometimes it takes a short as a couple days to notice it sinking, others, months or even YEARS. So, I hope you have luck, but I'm sure you can attach your wood to some rock and sink it(like a wire or even use aquarium glue; harmless to the fish)

Secondly, will my wood turn my aquarium to a tea color? Simply, yes, but to what degree? Now, I only have a ten gallon aquarium, and I'm using a small 2lb cave like piece. I haven't noticed ANY changes in color, and I've had it in the aquarium for almost two months. But, before adding the wood to my aquarium, I kept it in my water cooler with regular water changes every day. I've soaked it in steaming hot water, and cold water, I haven't noticed a difference in soaking though. Also, I soaked it for a little over a week(8 days). Also, if your wood is small enough to fit in a pot, I'd recommend boiling it for about ten minutes a day for that entire week. I did, and I think that helped dramatically. To finish it off, with your wood, I'd recommend thoroughly rubbing it down to brush off the loose wood that could possibly rot.

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