75G Plant/Lighting/Substrate Questions - Page 2
Tropical Fish

Tropical Fish Keeping - Aquarium fish care and resources » Freshwater Fish and Aquariums » Beginner Freshwater Aquarium » Beginner Planted Aquarium » 75G Plant/Lighting/Substrate Questions

75G Plant/Lighting/Substrate Questions

This is a discussion on 75G Plant/Lighting/Substrate Questions within the Beginner Planted Aquarium forums, part of the Beginner Freshwater Aquarium category; --> I can show you a pic of a 60g (23" deep) in the works (no plants or fish yet) using 4 23w (im pretty ...

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools vBmenu Seperating Image Search this Thread vBmenu Seperating Image
75G Plant/Lighting/Substrate Questions
Old 04-05-2011, 12:41 PM   #11
 
Seanmiller09's Avatar
 
I can show you a pic of a 60g (23" deep) in the works (no plants or fish yet) using 4 23w (im pretty sure) 6500k cfl just for reference when I get home this evening. Total cost was about 15 bucks for the lights and maybe 15 for the fixtures. appears to be enough light, though 26w (100w) or higher cfl may be in the works depending on how many floating plants end up in the tank.
Seanmiller09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 12:51 PM   #12
 
yes, pls send the pic, i want to get ideas. Have you done this with low light plants before, was it enough for them. I will use Florish "Plain" and Florish Exel
zfarsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 12:54 PM   #13
 
What flourish plain? You mean flourish comprehensive? Be careful with excel. Stuff can either make your tank look beautiful or make it a wasteland. Dose it carefully.
SinCrisis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 01:26 PM   #14
 
I was going to use Florish Comprehensive and Florish Excel at the same time, but now that you said that, maybe i should be carefull and just use Florish Comprehensive, or use half of recomended Exel. I have never used this stuff, so only going with people's suggestions at the moment.
zfarsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 01:29 PM   #15
 
Byron's Avatar
 
Picking up on a couple issues from the recent posts.

Substrate. I was only thinking goldfish when I suggested pea gravel. That tank in the photo is no more, I tore it down for mainly the reasons some of you have mentioned. I found the plants did not like it, neither really did the loaches I had in there. That gravel was cheap, so it is going to appear out in the garden this summer. I switched to a small-grain gravel of the same colour blend but 1-2 mm grain size and so far everyone seems happier.

Compaction is an issue with sand, which is why I recommend small grain gravel to beginning planted tank aquarists. But, it will work. I have two tanks with sand, only about 2 inches though. If the tank is well planted with substrate-rooted plants, compaction will not be an issue. The plant roots go everywhere, and plants release oxygen through their roots, and the aerobic bacteria in the substrate use that oxygen to break down the organics. Plus one has Malaysian Livebearing Snails to help. And aside from all this, some pockets of anaerobic substrate are very useful. As botanists will tell you, plants need them too. A totally different biological process occurs in the anaerobic zones. We just want to keep them minimal. And the heavy planting does that.

Light tubes: I prefer the Hagen "-Glo" series or the comparable ZooMed series, but these are more expensive. I also use the Home Depot tubes. Phillips make one called Alto Daylight Deluxe, with a 6500K, that is very useful. At present, it is the second tube on my dual-tube tanks, along with one Life-Glo 2 tube. There are many other options.

Fertilizer: Flourish Comprehensive Supplement is sufficient in natural setups. Use it once or perhaps twice a week (depends upon the plants, light, fish, etc). I do not recommend Excel; that is a liquid carbon supplement, and once you start using it you are raising the level considerably, just the same as adding diffused CO2. Both require additional light intensity and higher levels of all nutrients in order to balance. Keep things simple--it works with less to go wrong.

Byron.
Byron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 02:18 PM   #16
 
Byron,

Tell me about your substrate you are currently using. Do the Dojo loaches like it?? Where did you buy it from / cost, and do you have a pic of it?

As for Sand, for the upkeep, do i need to stir it every once in a while? If so, i dont want to damage the roots while i am doing that.

I am currently using Carib Sea Eco-Complete on a small 10G:
Eco Complete Cichlid Zack Black
However, i cant do this on the 75G, cause the cost would be astronomical.
zfarsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 02:54 PM   #17
 
Seanmiller09's Avatar
 
Lighting option pics as promised:

60g w/cfl


58g w/ 1: 36" t12 & 1: 26w cfl hanging about 18" above tank
Seanmiller09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 03:27 PM   #18
 
hehe, thank Sean. Any chance i can see the lights itself with the aquarium, sort of the top of the aquarium and the tank. ;)
zfarsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 03:46 PM   #19
 
Seanmiller09's Avatar
 
Yeah no problem, it might not be until late tonight though.
Posted via Mobile Device
Seanmiller09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 04:52 PM   #20
 
Byron's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zfarsh View Post
Byron,

Tell me about your substrate you are currently using. Do the Dojo loaches like it?? Where did you buy it from / cost, and do you have a pic of it?

As for Sand, for the upkeep, do i need to stir it every once in a while? If so, i dont want to damage the roots while i am doing that.

I am currently using Carib Sea Eco-Complete on a small 10G:
Eco Complete Cichlid Zack Black
However, i cant do this on the 75G, cause the cost would be astronomical.
Yes, I recently used Flourite for the new 70g, I know it is expensive. But this tank is thick with plants, so i thought this would be a good test to see if it makes a difference compared to my plain gravel or plain sand tanks. For average tanks with the sort of hardy plants you are considering, many of which are not even substrate-rooted, I can't see a benefit for the high cost.

I don't have Dojo loaches, mine (that were in that tank pictured) are Botia kubotai, a quite different issue. If you check our profile of the Dojo Loach, there are some photos that all show the pea gravel we discussed earlier.

We have gone on several tangents in this thread, you must not lose sight of the issues. For the fish and plants you are considering, I still say the pea gravel will work. In my case it didn't; my plants were crypts and Vallisneria in the front, and Aponogeton in the rear, and I felt their growth was being hampered. This is just an instinct I had after observing that tank over several months.

Fellow-member Lupin is very knowledgeable on goldfish; you might want to PM him and ask him to step into this thread with his advice on the substrate. I myself do not know if goldfish need, or prefer, sand, fine gravel or pea gravel. And tanks should in my view always be designed with the needs of the fish foremost.

Byron.
Byron is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plant Substrate ILOB Beginner Freshwater Aquarium 6 01-05-2011 07:39 PM
Substrate for Sword plant callistra Beginner Planted Aquarium 4 07-10-2010 10:33 AM
Plant Lighting Tinthalas Tigris Beginner Planted Aquarium 6 02-11-2010 12:33 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:30 AM.