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post #11 of 19 Old 10-31-2010, 01:57 AM Thread Starter
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It will be a dislay tank. If not discus what cichlid do you suggest?
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post #12 of 19 Old 10-31-2010, 04:39 PM
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Your options are somewhat limited by the water parameters, plus the tank size; 120 litres is 32 gallons, so I will assume a 3-foot tank similar to my 33g.

Dwarf cichlids would suit this tank, though the species will be limited by the water parameters. Many of the dwarfs in the Apistogramma genus absolutely require soft, acidic water as they will be wild caught fish, unless you can find a breeder in your area who might have acclimated them to harder water. There are some Apistogramma species that manage in basic (pH 7 and up) medium hard water, so that's one option. Some species do best as a harem, one male and 2-3 females; if you acquire very young fish, a group of 5 would work, and one of the males will become dominant and the other males will appear as females (except they won't lay eggs). If the dominant male should leave the tank, one of those subordinate males takes over. This is quite an interesting facet of these fish. I had a group of A. bitaeniata (they were known as A. kleii back then) some years ago, bought five, assumed one male and 4 females as they matured, then when the male died a year later suddenly one of the assumed "females" grew extended fins and took over. Point of this is that a small group in a 33g will work if they are very young when you get them. Another cichlid is the Bolivian Ram, cousin to the common (blue) ram but much less demanding, and suitable in basic water. A pair in a 33g would work; this is not easy though, as the males only develop the extended fins with some maturing and most often stores have tanks of very young fish.

Plants suit any of the above, with normal tropical temperatures. Compatible fish are many, from Corydoras and other catfish to characins (tetra) and cyprinids. Just check the water parameter needs as many are adaptable but some are not.

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what about blue rams?
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post #14 of 19 Old 10-31-2010, 04:51 PM
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post #15 of 19 Old 10-31-2010, 04:53 PM Thread Starter
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seems they need soft acidic water. What about locally bred?
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seems they need soft acidic water. What about locally bred?
As I mentioned in my prior post, these fish are more demanding. If you can ascertain where the fish came from it will give you a better idea of the water they were raised in. This species does not adjust well to variations either way.

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So what is my best bet with thank kind of water and that volume?
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So what is my best bet with thank kind of water and that volume?
I offered some suggestions in post #12. But if you are specifically asking about blue rams, as I said, find out where they are from and if they were raised in water similar or identical to yours, they should be OK.

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post #19 of 19 Old 10-31-2010, 06:05 PM
locally bred fish are always the best option. I also disagree with how sensitive people make these fish out to be. I raised some locally bred GBR fry from 1/4" to adults in my water of 7.6 pH, 8* KH, and 20ppm of nitrate out of the tap. One pair also spawned eventually. They also survive just fine at the auctions for being such sensitive fish. Though this year there were no normal GBR, only long finned ones and electric blues. Average auction lasts about 8 hours with the fish just being in unheated bags that whole time.

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