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Old 04-05-2011, 02:08 PM   #11
 
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You are right it was $249, still a heck of a deal I think.
Well, we (you and I) couldn't just say no! LOL
Be even better with some fishes in there!

I think that other Petco deal for a 29 w/heater, filter & hood for $72 is pretty sweet too.
Goes to show you if you were to regularly troll the stores, you might find some really nice deals - in this case it was blind dumb luck - either that or they saw us coming <hehe>

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Old 04-06-2011, 09:45 PM   #12
 
Well after some bumps in the road with the fishless shrimp cycle that clouded and fouled the tank, I drained it and started over. I got creative and inserted the end of my gravel siphon into a garden hose with the wet end out the front door in the yard. Worked really well and my routine water changes will probably follow suit. I'm thinking I'll get a hose adapter for the kitchen sink and fill with it.
The next night I moved my two red wag platys over.
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:53 PM   #13
 
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Is it just me.... it' is really beautiful to see fish have an abundance of room to swim. They are really quite incredible little creatures. Bravo Abbey's Dad (and Mom) for the new tank. Yes I know you are going to put lots more in there. lol.
When the visa has recovered, get some tall plants too. If you are going to try real plants then don't buy a Pleco. (they eat them)
Beautiful job!!
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:11 PM   #14
 
Thanks Jakie.
Yes, I/we do need some tall plants and a few more inhabitants...although I have some 20 platy fry in the 10g that will move when they're big enough. I hope I can find a home for some of them.
I think eventually I may try for a planted tank, but if I do, it will be slowly after the tank is well established.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:43 PM   #15
 
I recommend during the tank is estalished because they consue the bad ickies if you will and help keep the tank clean. What do you mean they eat them Jackie
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:59 AM   #16
 
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Woot! Congrats. on your new tank.

Why not get some live plants now? No need to wait if that's how you want to go eventually.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:45 AM   #17
 
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My Common Pleco eats almost everything from dead fish, grabs live fish who dare to rest on the bottom (i've seen her do it) to the algae disks, shrimp pellets, to blanched zuccini and brocolli, to even swimming upsidedown on the surface to steel the only live plants I have been able to put in my 75 gal. She even comes looking when the blood worms are thawing and drifting down. From our profiles:
Common Pleco Diet

Algae, algae wafers, shrimp pellets, leftover flakes, cucumber, zucchini, green peas, lettuce, etc.

As they get older they may eat algae less often and you will need to supplement their diet with vegetable matter.


So "vegetable matter" ie live plants.
Does anyone know of any aquarium plants that the Pleco will not eat? i.e. tastes bad to it?
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:26 AM   #18
 
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Woot! Congrats. on your new tank.

Why not get some live plants now? No need to wait if that's how you want to go eventually.
Thanks!
I just don't know if I want to deal with them. Part of it has to do with wanting to at least wait until the tank is cycled and stable. Then my vision is to keep things tidy, using the gravel siphon for water changes - with plastics it doesn't matter, but with real plants, I'm thinking you don't want to upset the roots. Ah, then there's the substrate depth and material. I'm using regular gravel about an inch deep, but I think rooted plants would do better in a deeper sand/gravel mix (have yet to study up on this tho). And then there's additives for plant fertilizer... I'm sure plants aren't rocket science, but there's some learning to do it best and so I was thinking it may best wait. So, let me say one word son .... 'plastics' (flashback..."Mrs. Robinson, are you trying to seduce me?)
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:25 AM   #19
 
I meant while the tank is establishing sorry
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:16 PM   #20
 
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I meant while the tank is establishing sorry
I understood and don't discount the value of plants in an eco system, especially a somewhat closed system...but I have a plan.
Jumping back into this hobby again with both feet and eyes wide open, I've been studying up some regarding filtration - both fresh and salt water. I was surprised to see sump filters, protein skimmers, trickle/drip filters, algae filters...
I was also somewhat surprised at the on-going controversy over Under Gravel Filters (UGF). One kid on the web, professed they were the worst filter ever invented...never should have been invented. He discounted that they've been used, at least by some, successfully for like 40 years.
The UGF does bio-filtration very well, but comes with a caveat. Since water is being drawn down through the gravel, especially depending on gravel size, a fair amount of uneaten food can quickly be out of reach of the fish and will decay along with fish waste. If religious gravel cleaning is not done, the bed becomes a nitrate factory. With neglect, in time the bed will plug and water will not rise in the tubes as before. O2 will deplete and water will foul. Powerheads can just make this worse. Reverse flow can be better, and has some fans, but also has detractors.
Anyway...

My new 60g tank will have 2 HOB power filters. One cartridge type for easy mechanical (and slight [carbon] chemical) filtration and one dedicated to bio-filtration. The AquaClear 70 filter I bought is well suited for bio-filtration. It incorporates a sponge (intended as mechanical) and by design, the chamber will house a mesh sack of activated carbon and a mesh sack of ceramic bio-media. I plan not to use the carbon in this filter and instead, expand the amount of bio-media (not sure exactly what yet). I will cover the inlet tube end with fine nylon mesh and leave it's length short to discourage solid waste from entering. This filter should only require servicing as required to ensure proper impeller operation and I expect that from time to time, the sponge will require replacing relative to flow output. Also, the flow control will be cut back to allow a slower filtration through the bio-media.
As mentioned, the other filter will be small conventional cartridge type power filter. Right now I'm using my AquaTech 5-15, which one might say is way under size, although it sure moves a lot of water. I may eventually opt for a larger one of similar type, but I'm not sure*. Now I may rinse the cartridge weekly to remove any solids, but monthly I think it will just get tossed and a new one installed with no worry about biology...cause that's taken care of in the other filter.
I believe this ensures a high level of cost effective filtration with far less maintenance than say a canister filter (although a canister filter similarly dedicated to bio-filtration would work very well too - I'm just think a HOB is easier to manage/monitor).

*It seems like there's a notion that in order to get good filtration in a tank, we need to have big powerful filter flows to move lots of water - more water through a filter means more filtration....right?
I'm not buying. What if we move water slower, but filter better?
Better still, look how our (at least well and spring) water is filtered by slowly percolating down through the soil, sand and gravel. Would the water be as pure if it was pushed through there like a fire hose.
Sometimes less is more.
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