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post #11 of 21 Old 06-09-2010, 06:51 PM
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Take a sample of your water to the fish store and have them test Ph, Kh and Gh if they can. That way you can plan your fish stock depending on your water. Yes, there are fish that prefer higher Ph/harder water such as African cichlids. One piece of wood I don't think will make much difference . I have wood in most my tanks and it's never affected the Ph. But if you have very soft water with very low or no Kh it may affect it more.

The gravel depth is fine. I would suggest getting a background. I like a solid black or blue. It will really finish your tank and will hide those wires.

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post #12 of 21 Old 06-09-2010, 08:15 PM Thread Starter
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Yes, I was thinking of a blue background but they didn't have enough of the plain blue for the height of my tank. Hopefully it will be in by next week so I can get some. I was going to let my tank just kind of do it's thing for a week and then test the water. For now, I am just looking at fish and writing down types that I like, what PH level they need, how big they will get and what temp they require. It is a long list so far so I am sure I will be able to find something that will work.

I really appreciate all of your help, It can be overwhelming at first. :)
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This site is great for giving you a rough idea of what will work in your tank. Be sure to click the Suitable species button after you input your tank and filter info. IT will red flag you if there is a compatibility problem, over stocking, or need more filtration. I don't think I've closed that window for two weeks. LOL

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post #14 of 21 Old 06-10-2010, 04:35 AM
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I noticed you made another thread about yellow labs and swordtails. These fish would not do well together, but it didn't cross my mind at the time that you're stocking a totally empty 60g tank. Since you're still considering stocking options, have you thought about doing a full-on Lake Malawi tank?

They're actually pretty simple tanks to set up, especially if your local tap water is already hard and basic. If your water parameters are up to the task (or close enough - you can add things like limestone, dolomite or crushed coral to make your water harder and more basic) then all you really need are big piles of rock for the fish to swim around and through. You could have a few species of these fish for a really nice, colorful display. They're aggressive fish, to be sure, but there's a pretty standard practice of crowding the tank so that the fish can't really establish territories and don't single out other fish for bullying. In other words, though they're mean cichlids like the American cichlids I was talking about earlier, you can stock your tank to handle the aggression issues much more easily. They're also some good looking fish!

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post #15 of 21 Old 06-10-2010, 09:22 AM
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typically live bearers like hard alkaline water, but you are wanting to keep cichlids that i have no knowledge on :(

i have very alkali water here, 8.2 out of the tap!
i have 2 mid sized pieces of bogwood in my tank and have done nothing to the Ph levels, i guess with weekly water changes and the hardness that comes along with high Ph is just buffering the action somewhat effectively,

However you should still take regular Ph readings to make sure your chosen fish can Thrive, i would stear clear of any Ph altering products as they can seriously damage a tanks health, don't know how much you know on the chemistry of Ph but a simple over view is it's a logaritmic scale meaning a seemingly small change from Ph 7 - Ph 6 is a ten fold increase in acidity,

Products that try to alter you Ph are usually dilute acids, i think typically it's Sulphuric acid, and Ph up are just alkali's in a bottle,
now the problem is that your water contains things called buffers they help to stabalise small changes and keep your water a relatively constant Ph but if you add too much of a Ph altering product they are completely removed and you hit something called the equivalence point, gogole it and look at the pictures of example graphs, at this point mentioned Ph can jump from as low as 3 straight to 10 in one drop of your product, killing the fish.
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/...eqia/sasb2.gif
^ link to example graph.

Sorry for a long boring post, i have a chemistry exam in 2 weeks and i couldn't pass up on an oppertunity for some revision :)
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post #16 of 21 Old 06-12-2010, 08:11 AM Thread Starter
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Texas Tanker, That site is awesome, I love it. I am having fun tossing ideas and it makes corrections for me by letting me know what each fish needs. That is great help to me. I really appreciate that, Thanks so much!!! As far as this site is concerned I can have more fish then I thought. I think I would rather under stock the tank so they have a lot of swimming room. Is there any downside to under stocking that I didn't think of?

iamntbatman: Thanks so much again. You give great advice.

joe1992w I appreciate the information on PH levels. This is all new to me so all the help I can get is very much appreciated. Good luck with your exams. I has been a long time since I took a Chemistry exam. :)

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Yes, I was thinking of a blue background but they didn't have enough of the plain blue for the height of my tank. Hopefully it will be in by next week so I can get some. I was going to let my tank just kind of do it's thing for a week and then test the water. For now, I am just looking at fish and writing down types that I like, what PH level they need, how big they will get and what temp they require. It is a long list so far so I am sure I will be able to find something that will work.

I really appreciate all of your help, It can be overwhelming at first. :)
I really hope you plan on putting the back ground on before you add 500 pounds of water to the tank. I also have woodflooring and would suggest that you find the beams that run perpendicular to the front of your tank and try to get each end of the tank as close as possible, if not on them. This will help distribute the weight onto load bearing supports. Additionially, if you need to make adjustments to make the stand level, be sure to use something that will spread the weight (not a stack of pennies). I used corners from crystal cd cases. they slide in and stack/stay quite well.

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So I'm still waiting on your PH levels.

You'll probably want to go buy a liquid test kit, but as was mentioned, the pet shops will usually test it for you.

You can also call your water department, but that doesn't take into account your pipes....

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I really hope you plan on putting the back ground on before you add 500 pounds of water to the tank. I also have woodflooring and would suggest that you find the beams that run perpendicular to the front of your tank and try to get each end of the tank as close as possible, if not on them. This will help distribute the weight onto load bearing supports. Additionially, if you need to make adjustments to make the stand level, be sure to use something that will spread the weight (not a stack of pennies). I used corners from crystal cd cases. they slide in and stack/stay quite well.

All good suggestions. Let's just say, I am learning as I go. I just spent 10 minutes on a ladder trying to reach behind the already full tank to manuver the background behind the wires. It is on now, though.

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So I'm still waiting on your PH levels.

You'll probably want to go buy a liquid test kit, but as was mentioned, the pet shops will usually test it for you.
Whoops, sorry, I posted in a different thread. I did buy the API Master testing kit

My PH level was 7.6 but after adding my wood it is down to 6.6

My levels for the past 2 days were as follows
6/11 PH 7.6
Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate 0 ppm

6/12 PH 6.6
Ammonia .25
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate 0 ppm

I did a 20% water change and got some filter media from an Aquarium store (very healthy looking tank) and added that.
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My PH level was 7.6 but after adding my wood it is down to 6.6

My levels for the past 2 days were as follows
6/11 PH 7.6
Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate 0 ppm

6/12 PH 6.6
Ammonia .25
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate 0 ppm

I did a 20% water change and got some filter media from an Aquarium store (very healthy looking tank) and added that.
I wouldn't have done the media, just because I would be worried about contagious diseases... Will more than likely be fine though.

There are lots of fish you could get for that range of PH-
Barbs
Tetras
Rasboras
Loaches
Corydoras

And probably a few more. :) I'm setting up a 50 gallon with large schools of small fish...

Don't add fish until nitrites and ammonia are 0 though. ;)

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