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Would any fish be able to live in a 5ish gallon pond?
Old 07-17-2010, 11:59 PM   #1
 
Would any fish be able to live in a 5ish gallon pond?

Hey everyone, really bizarre plan in my head, and I have no idea if there is an obscure thread somewhere that might have all the answers I need, so I figured I would ask here.

I would really love to have something like neon tetras, or guppies, or something along those lines in this project, but I know it is a very strange situation, and my only possibility may end up being a betta, or possibly shrimp or something like that.

The actual scenario would be making somewhat of a very small scale pond, so although it would be a small water volume, it would be shallow with alot of surface area, and a large swimming space horizontally.

I plan to set up a really ambitious and probably impossible project in a 20 gallon tank(possibly a large tank if I find one before I start, but the 20 gallon I have seems like a good starting point) and part of the project will be basicaly making a miniature pond in the tank.

It will probably be at least half, and probably no more than 4/5ths of the surface area of the tank, and the pond will be somewhere from 4-7 inches deep, but spanning a large portion of the tanks bottom.

I'm not sure exactly what the gallon volume of the space would be yet, but it when I have that part figured out, probably in the next week or so I can give more specifics, but I figure this would be a good starting point.

The pond would have a decent current, I would have a pump in the back corner, and have the pump return to the other side of the tank into a small mock river, to give it a nice flow, water movement, and I would be including the filtering elements in the river section, basically making the river into a filter for the pond it empties into.

Like I said, I would absolutely love to have either neon tetras, or rosy red minnows, or fancy guppies, or possibly shrimp, or some combination.

I know the water volume would be lower than would be normally required, but I don't know if the over-filtration, and the extra large horizontal swimming area would make it a possibility.

I also don't have any experience with guppies minnows or tetras, so I don't know if one of them would be better for the medium to high current I would be creating.


I would love any help on this, as in my head it seems like it would all work well, but I'm also inexperienced, so I don't know if there are things I'm missing. I figure if there are not suitable fish in my desires for this, I will either do a single betta, or see how some of my ghost shrimp do in it, but as I said(probably too many times by now lol) I would love to have something colorful and in a decent number as neon tetras or fancy guppies to really make this come alive.
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Old 07-18-2010, 12:24 AM   #2
 
Also, as far as tank conditions I would be adding plenty of well seeded lava rock and a few decorations from an established tank so quality should be good, and it would be in the mid 70s for temperature as far as other requirements for the fish.

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Old 07-18-2010, 11:03 AM   #3
 
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I don't think this is a bizarre idea at all, quite interesting actually. What you are talking about is basically a sort of plaudarium or vivarium, a tank that has water area and land surface. Usually one builds these for amphibians, or brackish for mudskippers.

My suggestion would be to decide what fish you want and then work toward either a straight pond or a stream pool, as the two are different and different fish inhabit each. The true pond is more like a swamp, with no water current to speak of, thick with plants, and suitable fish being anabantids (betta, gourami, a shoal of rasbora, etc., though not all together due to incompatibility). A stream pool having a current, rocky substrate, fish like some of the smaller danio, rasbora, characins, cory catfish, etc.

I would suggest a larger than 20g though; once you start expanding horizontally the space gets used up quite fast I find. You can buy short rectangular tanks that would work well for this. You could even include some amphibian, or perhaps a turtle, depending upon the fish.

The ration of fish to water would be no different than any aquarium--the less water the fewer fish can manage in it.

Lots of possibilities here.

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Old 07-18-2010, 02:25 PM   #4
 
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I don't think this is a bizarre idea at all, quite interesting actually. What you are talking about is basically a sort of plaudarium or vivarium, a tank that has water area and land surface. Usually one builds these for amphibians, or brackish for mudskippers.

My suggestion would be to decide what fish you want and then work toward either a straight pond or a stream pool, as the two are different and different fish inhabit each. The true pond is more like a swamp, with no water current to speak of, thick with plants, and suitable fish being anabantids (betta, gourami, a shoal of rasbora, etc., though not all together due to incompatibility). A stream pool having a current, rocky substrate, fish like some of the smaller danio, rasbora, characins, cory catfish, etc.

I would suggest a larger than 20g though; once you start expanding horizontally the space gets used up quite fast I find. You can buy short rectangular tanks that would work well for this. You could even include some amphibian, or perhaps a turtle, depending upon the fish.

The ration of fish to water would be no different than any aquarium--the less water the fewer fish can manage in it.

Lots of possibilities here.

Byron.
My actual plan is to do a vivarium with a stream pool if thats what it's called.

An amphibian is a possibilty in the future but not my main target any time soon.
Going to browse through the used stuff at my store for a bigger better tank before I start this when I get my next paycheck or scrounge up a few dollars, but the plan is actually more strange and problematic because of the part outside of the pond.

What I actually want to do is have the tank filled with bonsai trees, I'm looking around for good tropical species, and will probably be going with multiple types of ficus for the trees, I would need a somewhat humid environment for it to work well, so thats why setting up a pond occured to me, I figured I could try to make it just like a small woodsy area and have as natural a look as possible.

I also plan on having filtration and current for the pond by taking one of my smaller powerheads, and putting it in a corner, running through a tube to the other side of the tank crating a waterfall trickle over lava rocks, down into a river section filled with the filter media I end up with, and the end between the river section and the pond section would be kind of meshed off, so there would be waterflow, but the fish wouldnt be getting into the "filter"

Supposedly bonsai trees indoors are near impossible to sustain for various reasons, but I figure I will try my best to keep a good temperature and humidity level in the tank and try to make it work against the odds.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:21 AM   #5
 
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If you're doing bonsai trees around the tiny pond, I can't help but suggest some sort of bright orange or orange and white fish (maybe platies?) to simulate koi.
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Old 07-19-2010, 12:36 PM   #6
 
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If you're doing bonsai trees around the tiny pond, I can't help but suggest some sort of bright orange or orange and white fish (maybe platies?) to simulate koi.
I probably won't be going with the typical miyagi bonsai tree of awesome, but trying to stay with ficus and tropical plants so that they can survive without me needing to give them a dormant period.

But thinking I like the thought of having it be like a super mini koi pond, guess I'll have to see how big my pond ends up being before I pick out fish lol.
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