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Old 11-26-2009, 09:54 PM   #1
 
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Question Where to go from here?

So I set up a 45&55g recently, planted, cycled, started with 5 fish in each tank.
1 day after stocking the 55g all 5 Cardinals where covered in ick, I tried treatment (meds & heat), unsuccessfully, the last one just passed today.

So really WHERE do I o from here with this tank?
  1. I do a large water exchange now like 50% or better 100%???
  2. How long should I use the carbon in the filter now because of the meds? (Planted tank here)
  3. And then how can I be sure the Ick bacteria are now still hiding anywhere in the tank or equipment???
  4. At what time would it make sense to put fish in there and try again???
  5. Issue being, I wanted a nice big Tetra Community tank, obviously them not being hardy for new tanks what do I stock? I have Rummy's in the 55g but they're not for new tank systems neither really. So I thought maybe I can find mates for the Rummy tank but have them live for a while in the 'tetra' tank till it well established from them living there?
Please I need help and ideas here where to go from here, I know many of you followed the nightmare over the past days and were the sweetest bunch out there to encourage me to keep going.

PS Since I never had algae in the old tanks, and I don't have nay in the 45g (with the Rummy's) I am wondering is there ANY connecting between the 55g having hair algae and the ick issue?????
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:56 AM   #2
 
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Well carbon really won't harm the plants...I ran a couple of months with carbon in a planted tank, everything was fine. I do got an idea...since the tank is cycled, do a 40-50% water change, keep the crabon in, and crank the heat up! It'll kill the ich, keep the tank cycled, and remove the medicine!
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Old 11-27-2009, 03:13 AM   #3
 
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So I set up a 45&55g recently, planted, cycled, started with 5 fish in each tank.
1 day after stocking the 55g all 5 Cardinals where covered in ick, I tried treatment (meds & heat), unsuccessfully, the last one just passed today.

So really WHERE do I o from here with this tank?
  1. I do a large water exchange now like 50% or better 100%???
  2. How long should I use the carbon in the filter now because of the meds? (Planted tank here)
  3. And then how can I be sure the Ick bacteria are now still hiding anywhere in the tank or equipment???
  4. At what time would it make sense to put fish in there and try again???
  5. Issue being, I wanted a nice big Tetra Community tank, obviously them not being hardy for new tanks what do I stock? I have Rummy's in the 55g but they're not for new tank systems neither really. So I thought maybe I can find mates for the Rummy tank but have them live for a while in the 'tetra' tank till it well established from them living there?
Please I need help and ideas here where to go from here, I know many of you followed the nightmare over the past days and were the sweetest bunch out there to encourage me to keep going.

PS Since I never had algae in the old tanks, and I don't have nay in the 45g (with the Rummy's) I am wondering is there ANY connecting between the 55g having hair algae and the ick issue?????
I would purchase a hardy tetra such as pristella,bloodfin,or perhaps sivertipped. and try again. Cardinal tetras aren't produced commercially very easily,and could be the fish were wild caught specimens which were under stress which was compounded by shipping ,and further stressed by trying to adapt to dealers tank, and then your own.
Could also be that ICH parasite was introduced through plants that may have came from tanks holding fish that parasite was present in.
Some fish are very sensitive to ICH medications as well. Take all or part of the above into consideration and things happen.
I would leave carbon run for a week. do keep in mind that until you try another small Group of fish, that the bacteria in your 55 gal needs some form of ammonia to remain alive or active.You can either use four or five small tetras, or feed the tank a pinch of food once each day to keep the biological filter ticking over.
You might also consider that most pathogens ,cannot survive more than ten days to two weeks without a host (fish). You could let the tank run without fish for this period of time and then when you are ready,, borrow some filter material from your 45 gal to re-establish the filter in your 55 gal for if not fed,,the bacteria will die off.
I might were it me,, Try a small group of five small tetras such as those mentioned and see how they do.They are hardy active tetras . Much hardier than the cardinal.
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Old 11-27-2009, 03:41 AM   #4
 
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I would also submit that as your tank matures,and plants become well established, that the natural process that occurs over time (months) will tend to make the conditions in your tank with regards to acidity and alkalinity more favorable to fish such as the cardinal tetras by lowering the alkalinity. Cardinals prefer warmer water than say neon tetras and they also appreciate somewhat soft acidic conditions.
I for example have water that is moderatly hard with a pH of 7.4 from the tap. I began trying to keep the german blue rams in this water and was largely unsuccessful. Fish would live for a few weeks,or months,and then expire. They too need soft acidic water and warm temps. Some of the stock I purchased was poor and I attributed the deaths to this. I then received a pair of tank raised specimens and placed them in a 20 gal tank that I have had set up for two years. The water in this tank test's at pH of 7.0. One of the two rams died at approx two years old while the other is still patrolling the tank. When I tried to keep them in less mature tank, they would not thrive.
I would submit this may be something for you to consider. Rather than attempting to alter the water with pH altering products ,,just let the tank do what it do. Then in a few months,,try the cardinals again taking care to perhaps ask the dealer to hold the fish for a week or two after they arrive before purchasing them. If odering these fish or purchasing from dealer,,try and find out if they are indeed wild caught. If so,, then perhaps adjustinhg the water through CO2 or Reverse Osmosis unit or water might be needed.HTH
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:10 AM   #5
 
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i agree with waiting for the tank to mature a bit..... if you would like the process to g a little quicker (stress on little) either grab some gravel or a used filter from an established tank , keep them wet durring transport, rins them in your tank and let everything get a jump start from an established tank... or you could get a product called Biomax. it is the good bacteria in a jar.. follow instructions onthe package and that will also help to start the tank going a lot faster..... just take your time and go slow even though we ALL know how hard that is.... LOL
as for the tank being contaminated with Ick personally i would simply turn your heat up get it to around 89 F and let it run like that for ohhh a week or so then ease it back to normal range and as you have no fish in there they should all die off and once the bacteria really get going and your plants are a bit more established you should be good to go :)
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:14 AM   #6
 
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By Silvertipped, do you mean the Silver Hachetfish? Cause those I wanted to get with the 'original stock plan' anyway? Also I want cory's, thou they're not real hardy for 'starter' fish neither

Funny you say wild caught vs commercially bread fish...I think that was my key before in the old tanks, having all tanks stocked with fish from Hobby breeders that done this for YRS and not from any commercial place.

Yea I'll keep feeding the tank meanwhile (feed my empty 10g every day too). After carbon is added today (I wanna change the filter outlet anyway, so taking the filter apart is no issue) and do a large w/c.

I think leaving it empty for 2+weeks while feeding each night, I won't need to use filter media from the 45g, at least so I(!!) think - what's yall's opinion?


My KH is 4 and pH 7, that's the readings in the running tanks, tap water is lower then that. And these reading have remained stable for the past weeks now inside the tanks.

My biggest question atm (apart from about 1 million others lol) How long does it take to be SAFE to know the ick bacteria are all dead in the tank for good????
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:00 AM   #7
 
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I was referring to silver tipped tetras.
Feeding the tank will keep bacteria active and perhaps seed material from other tank won't be needed. Research I have done on ICH parasite,indicates that parasite cannot survive more than 14 days without a host fish to infect so to speak. No need to do anything but leave tank void of fish and continue with water changes each week along with vaccuming the gravel just as you would do if fish were present.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:21 AM   #8
 
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Hasemania nana (the ones I think looks more bronze then silver lol)? I thought they needed a far lower pH then my 7???

Well as my soul wish for my b-day this year to my hubby was 'fish only', I won't get no more fish till Dec 16th, then the ones I do get WILL go in a 10g QT tank for AT LEAST 1 week, which makes it almost 4 weeks from now for the 55g to be empty. I will research how long that stuff can survive w/out fish in the tank, but I'd assume that's a safe time.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:23 AM   #9
 
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4 weeks should be ample time :)
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:12 PM   #10
 
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I would vote for just having a plant tank for 10 days or so to make sure any parasites are starved out, then add a few fishes. Plant only tanks are very relaxing, too.
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