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When can I add more fish?
Old 01-26-2010, 05:13 PM   #1
 
When can I add more fish?

Hello,

I am new. While I had a 30g in a previous life, I never did anything but water changes, so this time I have started small.

I have a new mini bow 5g tank with a betta. I would like to add some more fish to the tank, but not sure when is a good time. (I am aware of the debates around adding fish to a betta tank; but the LFS has given me some suggestions that he thinks will do fine).

After 10 days, here are the readings:

pH=7.8
Ammonia=1.0 ppm
Nitrite=1.0 ppm
Nitrate=5.0 ppm

I am going to do another water change this weekend.

Do I need to wait until the Ammonia and Nitrite levels are 0ppm? Should I be worried about the pH being above the optimal 7.5 (at least that is what the API test kit says is optimal).

I have no experience with doing this correctly, so any advice delivered in a constructive manner will be appreciated

-Ray
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Old 01-26-2010, 05:40 PM   #2
 
so you already have the beta in there?

something i have learned with my personal beta experience in a community tank is to add the beta to a tank with current inhabitants. then the beta hasn't already made the tank its territory. 5 gallons won't leave you much room to put a lot of fish in... i had tetras with a beta and they ate the poor betas tail off, that beta went to live alone. i have one now in my community tank with mollys and he does great in there.

i wouldn't add anymore fish for at least 4 weeks. let the beta cycle the tank, take your water to get tested at the LFS often.
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:18 PM   #3
 
Thanks.

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so you already have the beta in there?
yes, he's in there; so yes, he thinks it's his tank. I was told cories might be a good choice as well.
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:23 PM   #4
 
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When cycling a tank with fish as you are there, you wanna keep Ammonia UNDER 1 at all times until such day that its cycled and will constantly be 0. Ammonia is toxic to fish, waiting until the weekend is not a good idea really; anytime you get a reading of 1 or more do a immediate ~50% water change; always make sure you add conditioner.

5g is VERY small, most fish are schooling fish and that wouldn't fit in a 5g...I can only urge you to be real careful for whatever your store is telling you there and rather discuss fish options here before you wind up with troubles at home. The Store is just that a store who wants to SELL. We on the other hand can give you proper info who works with whom in what size tanks
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:26 PM   #5
 
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PS for the Cory: they're VERY sensitive fish, def do NOT add them until few weeks AFTER your tank is cycled, anything else will almost guarantee you to loose them. Some cory are smaller as adults then other, so that's the Cory's I"d suggest to look at for this tank, for them to feel safe (so with happy, so with health) you'd need 6. But that said that will then totally MAX out your tanks there and you'd have to ensure 1xweek water change of 50% all the time, each week.
Also they're very sensitive with hard/ big/ sharp gravel and should ideally be kept on sand or fine gravel...so check see what you have there

Alternative to that all would be shrimp with your Betta. I have Betta living in my shrimp farms, no problems.
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Old 01-26-2010, 09:26 PM   #6
 
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When cycling a tank with fish as you are there, you wanna keep Ammonia UNDER 1 at all times until such day that its cycled and will constantly be 0. Ammonia is toxic to fish, waiting until the weekend is not a good idea really; anytime you get a reading of 1 or more do a immediate ~50% water change; always make sure you add conditioner.
OK, thanks. Changed 50% and now Ammonia is 0.5ppm (I used Seachem Prime recommended by the LHS). Is that OK given the tank is still cycling?

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5g is VERY small, most fish are schooling fish and that wouldn't fit in a 5g...I can only urge you to be real careful for whatever your store is telling you there and rather discuss fish options here before you wind up with troubles at home. The Store is just that a store who wants to SELL. We on the other hand can give you proper info who works with whom in what size tanks
Excellent Point. I have the small rocks rather than fine sand. I will do some more research and ask here about what to add. BTW, is this chart reliable? Freshwater & Brackish Compatibility Chart
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Old 01-26-2010, 10:19 PM   #7
 
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Prime is wonderful, I use it too for all my tanks.

I don't find that chart too reliable just by looking over it. Certain fish may get along yea but that totally leaves out what the fish need like I'd never house Cichlids with Cory because they have different water needs.

Your best bet is really to see around what you like once you have some narrowed down that suit a 5g tank, as questions here
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:44 PM   #8
 
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5G is too small for any more fish. I would just leave it at the Betta.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:16 AM   #9
 
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Male bettas are almost meant to be solitary fish, in my humble opinion. I've had many and they've always seemed happiest alone. They like their space. They like their peace. Although I did once have a male betta that was very unhappy without his female in the same tank with him. They were the exception to the rule though.

Female bettas seem to prefer sorority living, and can still be quite colorful.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:28 AM   #10
 
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Should I be worried about the pH being above the optimal 7.5 (at least that is what the API test kit says is optimal).
This is what bothers me most. There is no optimal pH period. You can't put Mbuna cichlids in with discus because you have the optimal pH. For some reason I hear that misconception a lot: 7 or 7.5 in your case is not a magic number. Every fish has a different need for what pH is thrives best at. My well water here is a very soft ~6.1 pH...if that's the case my water is far from optimal...yet all my fish are doing very well. I just wanna make sure that you understand that there is nothing wrong with your pH, your pH isn't bad, and your pH isn't good nor optimal. I just work around my pH and find fish that thrive in my water naturally. Don't ever spend money on pH altering products either. Big waste of money that I finally got my friend to understand. Just wanted to pipe in there.
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