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Whater changes ...Whats everyone's preferred method?
Old 12-05-2012, 01:20 PM   #11
 
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I too dose for entire volume of water when filling with python or similar device.(as per suggestion's by Seachem)
Back when I used bucket's,,I dosed only for the amount in the bucket,or that which I removed.
Have seen no negative effect's either way.
If I'm getting low on dechlorinator,,I sometimes only dose for amount removed.
Prime is reported to be safe up to three times the suggested dose for emergencies, so I am not too worried bout toxicity, but do agree with Byron regarding TDS with soft water species.
Problem is in my view,, is everything we add to the aquarium, from dechlorinator,fertilizer's,fish food's,increases the TDS.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:54 PM   #12
 
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Sorry to disagree with you Byron but in reference to the Prime product, I heard similar differences and called Seachem to verify. To each his own way, but I will take the manufacturer's advice :)
Two points, respectfully submitted.

1. Seachem, while a fairly reputable business, is still just that, a business. If they can convince you to use 2 or 3 times the amount of their product, they will sell more.

2. With respect to the amount, there is not a shred of evidcence anywhere that conditoner (whatever the brand) needs to be added for the full tank. None. And those of us who have been dosing only for the replacement for 20+ years and not lost fish as a result are proof that it is not necessary.

By contrast though, there is scientific evidence that adding to TDS will affect fish. I see no reason to risk my fish and spend more money.

We are all free to hold varyhing opinions on this and that, no issue there. But scientific fact is another matter.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:38 PM   #13
 
You know Byron, I have read several of your stabbing comments, not just this one but several of them in other posts. You have a way of making your point of the matter very clear as if you really think your way is best. Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to be right according to their best judgement and former practice. Thank God we do not have to have a PhD to keep fish alive. Everyone is free to make their own choice as to how to care for their beloved fish. To me, that is just part of enjoying fishkeeping... to have beautiful and healthy fish and help others do the same. Bad advice is just that... bad, and I don't think anyone would purposely give it. I hope others on this forum are able to ascertain the difference between bad advice, one sided advice and good advice. We have over 800 gallons of tanks running in our home and several thousands of dollars of fish, I am going to follow the manufacturer's directions.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:28 PM   #14
 
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For the last several years, When I would do a waterchange, I would do maybe 25-30% water changes in my 55 Gal tank. I would add the Decholrinator (API Stress Coat) in the appopriate amount ( for approx 15 gal of new water) directly into the tank, either just before or just after adding the new tap water.

I've heard of others who let tap water sit in a bucket for 24-48 hours and that supposidly removes the cholrine or makes it safe to use for water changes with out the Dechlorinator?

Which Method is best?

Thanks!
I guess both would work.

I just replace evaporative water with no chemicals on my planted tanks. That works fine for me.

but worth to others at most .02
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:59 PM   #15
 
I have heard of people letting their water sit out for 24 hours also, but this will only rid it of chlorine. If you local water company uses chloramines to disinfect the water, chloramines are fatal to fish. I used to use API Stress Coat and I believe that is correct, you only have to add the amount of product for the water you are replacing. When we switched to Prime because so many of our friends with fish swore by it, that is when we found out that it is recommend that it is best to add it to the fresh water first, according to the amount of fresh water you are adding to the tank. But, if you are adding it directly to the tank, add the product according to the volume of water in the entire tank. I don't know the reason why the company says to do it this way, all I know is I want to remove chlorine and chloramines from the water and all of our tanks are filled with a python so that is what we do. I trust Seachem, they are a great family owned company in Madison, GA. The have superior products. They have a Customer Support team that is fantastic and a real person answers the phone and you get a qualified tech support person immediately. They are an American owned and operated company. Some years ago I called API with a question, several different times, nobody called me back. We have had great results with Prime and I would not use anything else without very very careful consideration. Prime is as important to me as my first cup of coffee in the morning. I freak out when we start running low on it.

Seachem has another product that I am looking at to get for all of our tanks called Matrix. Because our tanks have so much water movement there's not much area, if any, for anaerobic bacteria to grow. The water is forced through the canister at such a fast rate that it can't grow there either. This anaerobic bacteria is critical for the removal of nitrates. Matrix is a highly porous biomedia that is ideally sized for the support of nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria. This allows Matrix, unlike other forms of biomedia, to remove nitrate along with ammonia and nitrite, simultaneously and in the same filter. Another great thing about this product is it does not have to be replaced or recharged. We tried the Seachem Purigen, it did reduce Nitrates more effectively than the API NitraZorb did, but Purigen has to be removed and re-charged (cleaned with Chlorine Bleach) and I do not want to have to mess with bleach, especially with as many tanks as we have running.

Here's the link to Matrix (seriously I can't wait to get this stuff)
Seachem. Matrix

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Old 12-05-2012, 05:59 PM   #16
 
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At the risk of annoying you again, I would question the benefits of Matrix in a balanced system. The majority of bacteria live outside of the filter in the substrate. Do you have a nitrate problem?
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:48 PM   #17
 
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At the risk of annoying you again, I would question the benefits of Matrix in a balanced system. The majority of bacteria live outside of the filter in the substrate. Do you have a nitrate problem?
Byron, I see that you have a 115 gallon planted tank with small fish. Not sure if that is the only tank you have running, but it really does not matter. The point I would like to make is you apparently have NO knowledge of large tanks and large fish keeping. Yes, you are annoying me. It seems like every time I post something you have to throw in your negative comments to the contrary. The anaerobic bacteria in your tank is in the substrate, your substrate is rarely, IF EVER, bothered and you have small fish swimming around. Please stop trying to compare your tank and your methods of fish keeping with others who have tanks and fish totally different from yours. NO... we do not have beneficial bacterial in our substrate, one of the main ways we have to remove Nitrates from our tank is to thoroughly vacuum the poop and food waste from the sand. Nitrates also collect in the canister when it is dirty and needs cleaning. NO we do not have a Nitrate problem at present, I am simply trying to help others on the forum who do. And YES the Matrix does play a very important role in the canister as far as creating a highly porous biomedia where anaerobic bacteria can grow. Now, would you please leave me alone. Thank you.

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Old 12-05-2012, 09:53 PM   #18
 
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Wow, not to jump on at the last second, but lakemalawifish, that was pretty rude. If you didn't like what he said you could have shrugged and moved on. Instead you post an entire rant attacking him -for all the internet to see- in quite a vicious fashion. There was absolutely no need for that and it leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth that you reacted in such a volatile fashion.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:55 PM   #19
 
jentralala I apologize to you and anyone else who reads my comments directed at Byron and realize that was not the correct way to confront someone who has offended me. Byron I apologize to you for not contacting you privately.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:02 PM   #20
 
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Sorry to disagree with you Byron but in reference to the Prime product, I heard similar differences and called Seachem to verify. To each his own way, but I will take the manufacturer's advice :)
Personally I set my water out temp matched in a tub/bucket and add enough prime to that particular amount. So if 30 gallons were taken out and are going back in, I add prime to the tub of 30 gallon temp matched water and agitate it. Then that goes into the tank.

So far I've had really good results with this but I respect other people who do things differently.
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