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Old 06-03-2012, 10:23 PM   #11
 
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It could happen overnight, but again - no ammonia. . . so that doesn't seem to be the case. I think it's very likely that something could have gotten into the tank from the garage - it seems to make sense. . . hopefully someone else can offer a better explanation. . . that is really SAD!
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:52 PM   #12
 
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While it is entirely possible something may have gotten into the tank while in the garage, in this case I do not think it is the case.

It may be the fact that no mention is made of using a water conditioner when adding the water to the QT tank, it could be that ammonia or other chemicals in the tap water may have caused it.

The other possibility is the fact that the quantity of fish was too much for the tank to handle being un-cycled. The ammonia build up from stressed fish due to being moved from the store to the tank, could have caused the ammonia level to skyrocket in a small time frame. Stressed fish will be heavily breathing and the waste gases from respiration have to go somewhere. With nothing other than plants to remove the waste, in the form of good bacteria. Water conditions can deteriorate fast.

Am very sorry for your loss.

Perhaps the purchase of a sponge filter appropriate for the QT tank size would be a good investment. The filter can be placed inside the main tank for 3-4 weeks enough to seed it with good bacteria. Once the QT period is over, the filter can be placed into the main tank towards the back and out of sight. This will keep the filter seeded, should anymore fish be purchased that you would want to QT.
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:17 AM   #13
 
I did use water conditioner, but I did notice that the fish were breathing heavily before I went to bed the night before. I have a hang on the back filter on the Q tank. Could I place the filter cartride in the main tank instead of buying a sponge filter? If so how long will it take before it would be able to be used the Q tank? 3-4 weeks also? Is moving some of the substrate from the main to the Q tank an option? If so how much should I move?

How many fish would you suggest I purchase at once? I want to have a school of 10 glowlights eventually.

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Old 06-04-2012, 08:31 AM   #14
 
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Is it possible to put the entire HOB filter into your established tank for a few weeks? I've done this before and when I was ready, I just moved the established filter from the established tank and into the new one - with great results! If you can't, check the opening in the back of your current HOB - you should be able to take the cartridge out of the filter in the QT tank and slip it in alongside of the cartridge in your established tank (at least, it works on mine). I've done it this way before, too, with no problems. . . I'm not sure exactly how long it takes to be 'safe.' I just left mine on/in until I needed it. Since it's running in an established tank, I wouldn't think it would take too long - the bacteria is already there, it just needs to get into the filter.

As far as the gravel is concerned, I'd put it into the QT tank at the same time as the fish next time. I don't know that there's an exact amount that will do the trick, but anything will help. Since the bacteria lives on surfaces, you'll be bringing the bacterial colonies into the new tank by moving the gravel. But you don't want to move it before there are any fish - or the bacteria will starve, and it won't do you any good. Remember that you can always move it right back into your main tank when the QT for your new fish is complete.

As far as how many. . . I don't know if this is the right answer or not, but I would probably split them up into 2 batches of 5. . . actually, if it were *ME* I'd bump the number up to 12 and do 2 batches of 6. You don't want to put too much strain on a newly establishing system, but at the same time you don't want to add to the fish's stress by keeping them in small numbers - most Tetra won't be comfortable in a group of under 5-6, from what I understand. Hopefully someone else can chime in here, too. It might be fine to get all 10 - I'm just not sure, so I'd split it! :)

Hope that helps. :)

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Old 06-04-2012, 08:42 AM   #15
 
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The HOB can be seeded that way as well, providing though it doesnt create too much additional flow for the fish you already have in the display tank (DT). When using gravel from the DT in the QT tank, it would be best to move it a few days prior to getting any fish, also same with HOB. This way if there is a small cycle, it will most likely be over before the fish are exposed to it. To keep it seeded though, you would need to run it alongside the main filter in the DT.

There is no "go fast" rules in this hobby, when purchasing new fish, If I am not fully stocking a tank cycled with ammonia straight away, then I always QT for 2-3 weeks and add only 2-4 fish(adults), more if it is fry, at a time depending on what I am stocking. Stocking them over a few weeks, allows the beneficial bacteria time to multiple to cope with the additions of the new fish. This is also why we suggest that 3-4 weeks minimum to seed a filter using the DT.

With regards to the gravel I generally use a bare bottom tank for QT, this not only prevents the gravel from being worthless if medications are used, which would need to be washed off, killing the good bacteria anyway prior to another QT period or returning it to the main DT. It also allows you to see the fish poop, make sure it is normal and also makes it easier to vacuum any uneaten food. A few live plants or anything to provide cover is all that is need really. Once in the main DT then the environment can be created that the fish will ultimately live in, be it live plants or tons of rocks in the case of my African Cichlids.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:31 PM   #16
 
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Was the temp set ok on the QT tank? if the temp was right, it was most likely the fact the tank was uncycled, seems strange that you say there was 0 for all parameters, that suggests to me that the cycle had even started yet, so the fish most likely succumbed to the ammonia and possibly the stress? if they came from a chain store, more than likely they could have been struggling for a while, and this just tipped them over the edge? weird.

hope someone can give you definitive answer..
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:44 PM   #17
 
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Did you return the fish? Most chain stores have excellent return policies. These fish could have been heavily stressed before you bought them. I stopped buying at chain stores because of bad experiences. If you try again, you may want to drip acclimate.
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:35 PM   #18
 
Ok so I started over and added some substate from the MT. I added 2 glowlights 4 weeks ago. I have seen Ammonia spike and Nittrite spike. Currently I am at .25(maybe less) ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 5 Nitrates. Is it normal for ammonia to still be present?
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:42 PM   #19
 
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I've seen it happen. . . it can take quite a bit of time for the cycle to fully establish. Sounds like you're nearing the end, though! Keep an eye on the nitrAtes - they should be spiking next (if you haven't seen them do so already). Glad things are going more smoothly this time around!
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:39 PM   #20
 
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I did use water conditioner, but I did notice that the fish were breathing heavily before I went to bed the night before. I have a hang on the back filter on the Q tank. Could I place the filter cartride in the main tank instead of buying a sponge filter? If so how long will it take before it would be able to be used the Q tank? 3-4 weeks also? Is moving some of the substrate from the main to the Q tank an option? If so how much should I move?

How many fish would you suggest I purchase at once? I want to have a school of 10 glowlights eventually.
Heavy breathing?
Sounds like your tap water is different than the water from the fish store.
I know you said they don't 'treat' their water, but it is very possible for their parameters to be vastly different from your tap. I highly recommend not only finding out your own pH, gH and kH, but the shop's as well for comparison. Assumptions can be detrimental.
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