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This is a discussion on Water levels within the Beginner Freshwater Aquarium forums, part of the Freshwater Fish and Aquariums category; --> Originally Posted by Byron Well, it could be a couple of things from what you've told us. First (hopefully) the substrate; I say hopefully ...

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Old 08-14-2010, 10:10 AM   #11
 
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Well, it could be a couple of things from what you've told us. First (hopefully) the substrate; I say hopefully because if this is the source it will clear without trouble. I asked about the filter because that should help it to clear.

Second, could be a bacteria bloom, common in new setups. This will also clear on its own. This I would think should be white though, so probably not pertinent here. Water changes would make this worse, or at any rate it would not clear as quickly as leave it alone.

But more likely, Third, if it is really more green than brown then it is likely "green water" which is an algae bloom that occurs when light and nutrients exceed what the plants can use. And without fish CO2 will be minimal so the plants are held back by that shortage [the law of minimum I've mentioned elsewhere], this nutrient carbon is not included in root ferts. Working on the assumption this is the cause, reduce the light. You have swords, so 8-10 hours a day light on, use a timer to be consistent; and a couple water changes. These will help clear up green water provided the light is reduced as well. Cut the light back gradually, e.g. if it is on for 12 hours now, reduce it to 10 for a week or two; if that doesn't do it, reduce it another hour. Rather than all at once.

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Awesome, thanks for the advice. other than the water being discolored are my parameters still ok? According to the booklet, my levels are still ok if not pretty good.

My wife usually turns the light on, seeing how I'm at work before anyone else is up.. So she has been turning it on around 6 a.m. and then I get home around 6 p.m. and sometimes forget to shut it off. So needless to say I will be getting a timer for the light today.

Thanks again!
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:23 AM   #12
 
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Awesome, thanks for the advice. other than the water being discolored are my parameters still ok? According to the booklet, my levels are still ok if not pretty good.

My wife usually turns the light on, seeing how I'm at work before anyone else is up.. So she has been turning it on around 6 a.m. and then I get home around 6 p.m. and sometimes forget to shut it off. So needless to say I will be getting a timer for the light today.

Thanks again!
Yeah, it was getting a whole lot of light. o.o
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:49 AM   #13
 
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Awesome, thanks for the advice. other than the water being discolored are my parameters still ok? According to the booklet, my levels are still ok if not pretty good.

My wife usually turns the light on, seeing how I'm at work before anyone else is up.. So she has been turning it on around 6 a.m. and then I get home around 6 p.m. and sometimes forget to shut it off. So needless to say I will be getting a timer for the light today.

Thanks again!
How are you cycling (obviously no fish)? If you have plants, you do not need to cycle. I would just add a few small fish, something you want in the tank; if you give me the names of what you want I could comment if any are better or worse at the beginning. But I need to know what is being used to cycle as that may interfere.

On the timer, set it to be on when you are likely to be viewing the aquarium, which I guess is evenings. So it can come on at say 11 am and go out at 9 pm or something. The room needs light in it when the tank light comes on and goes out, never in a dark room as this unsettles the fish. Daylight in the morning is fine, a lamp in the evening is fine.
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Old 08-14-2010, 01:02 PM   #14
 
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How are you cycling (obviously no fish)? If you have plants, you do not need to cycle. I would just add a few small fish, something you want in the tank; if you give me the names of what you want I could comment if any are better or worse at the beginning. But I need to know what is being used to cycle as that may interfere.

On the timer, set it to be on when you are likely to be viewing the aquarium, which I guess is evenings. So it can come on at say 11 am and go out at 9 pm or something. The room needs light in it when the tank light comes on and goes out, never in a dark room as this unsettles the fish. Daylight in the morning is fine, a lamp in the evening is fine.
ok I made a post a while back about what fish I wanted, I want guppies. I know they spawn a lot, but my local petsmart only sells male guppies to cut down on the breeding (and yes I confirmed myself). So I want some guppies, was thinking 10+ and some cory cats I know these do better in a school of 6 or more.
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Old 08-14-2010, 02:08 PM   #15
 
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ok I made a post a while back about what fish I wanted, I want guppies. I know they spawn a lot, but my local petsmart only sells male guppies to cut down on the breeding (and yes I confirmed myself). So I want some guppies, was thinking 10+ and some cory cats I know these do better in a school of 6 or more.
A few guppies as first fish would be fine. Not the corys, wait for maybe a month; 5-6 would be nice in a 29g; you can have all one species, or you can have 2 species with minimum 3 of each, that works well.

You didn't say how you were cycling, my reason for asking is that with live plants and a few fish you don't want to be adding "ammonia" to offset the natural process.
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A few guppies as first fish would be fine. Not the corys, wait for maybe a month; 5-6 would be nice in a 29g; you can have all one species, or you can have 2 species with minimum 3 of each, that works well.

You didn't say how you were cycling, my reason for asking is that with live plants and a few fish you don't want to be adding "ammonia" to offset the natural process.
My bad, lack of sleep is getting to me.. Im doing the fishless cycle with live plants.. I didnt know you could just add fish with live plants.. I was worried cause I dont have that many plants and I didnt know how that all would work.
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Old 08-14-2010, 03:09 PM   #17
 
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My bad, lack of sleep is getting to me.. Im doing the fishless cycle with live plants.. I didnt know you could just add fish with live plants.. I was worried cause I dont have that many plants and I didnt know how that all would work.
Hopefully I can explain. Plants need nitrogen as one of their macro-nutrients, and aquatic plants prefer nitrogen as ammonium (not nitrates as many will say). Fish and bacteria breaking down organics produce ammonia, and the plants grab it. In acidic water, ammonia changes to ammonium automatically; in basic water plants have the ability to convert it themselves. Either way, they use a lot of it. In a reasonably heavily planted tank, there will be a smaller colony of nitrifying bacteria because the plants are generally faster at grabbing the ammonia/ammonium. This is why nitrates are low in planted tanks; there is minimal ammonia for the nitrosomonas bacteria, so minimal nitrite is produced and there is consequently minimal nitrospira bacteria (using the nitrite) so minimal nitrate is produced. Many with planted tanks have zero nitrates, mine tend to run 0 to 5 because I have a lot of fish.

So, setting up a new tank with live plants means you can put in some fish on day one and all will be well. I wouldn't put in many though, maybe a 6 guppies (you have 5 swords, or am I thinking another thread?) in a 30g, so half a dozen small guppies is fine. After a few days, if all is well, add a few more (if you want more). Last will be the corys, all 5-6 or whatever, in a couple weeks. You should see zero ammonia and nitrite throughout, and nitrates may or may not appear depending. The more plants the better.

OF course you need to be fertilizing the plants through all this or they can't grow. Flourish Comprehensive Supplement is my fert of choice.

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