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Water Conditioners - which to use
Old 06-21-2011, 01:05 PM   #1
 
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Water Conditioners - which to use

I want to get a new water conditioner and am a bit confused as to which to use and which indeed are conditioners.

First question...is Seachem Prime a water conditioner I can use when I make my weekly water changes?

Is Aqua Safe a water conditioner I can use to make my weekly water changes?

Are they both pretty much the same thing?...water conditioners?

Is Safe Start a water conditioner I can use to make weekly water changes or is it just for establishing bacteria?

I need a good conditioner for my weekly water changes and am also wondering since I have started my 20 gallon fresh water tank with Safe Start, can I use Prime or Aqua Safe for the water changes. My confusion is showing isn't i?
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:17 PM   #2
 
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I want to get a new water conditioner and am a bit confused as to which to use and which indeed are conditioners.

First question...is Seachem Prime a water conditioner I can use when I make my weekly water changes?

Is Aqua Safe a water conditioner I can use to make my weekly water changes?

Are they both pretty much the same thing?...water conditioners?

Is Safe Start a water conditioner I can use to make weekly water changes or is it just for establishing bacteria?

I need a good conditioner for my weekly water changes and am also wondering since I have started my 20 gallon fresh water tank with Safe Start, can I use Prime or Aqua Safe for the water changes. My confusion is showing isn't i?

Safe Start is just a bacteria additive and is only used to begin a cycle.

I haven't used Aqua Safe but I believe it is similar to Seachem Prime however, the Seachem Prime seems to be the holy grail of water conditions and is the only one I've ever been advised to use. It is effective at lower doses I believe and is also capable of being over dosed if necessary without becoming harmful.

I've used Prime now for conditioning (during cycle and pwc) on two 55g FW setups and it has worked wonders!

Hope that helps.
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:39 PM   #3
 
Prime and Aquasafe are both water conditioners. The major difference is that Prime detoxifies ammonia and in high doses can be used to stop ammonia and nitrite stress (such as during an unexpected ammonia spike). Aquasafe does not detoxify ammonia; however if a tank is fully cycled, ammonia detoxification is not needed.

I personally have always used Aquasafe as my tank is heavily planted and I want ammonia to be used by my plants for growth
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:41 PM   #4
 
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Prime and Aquasafe are both water conditioners. The major difference is that Prime detoxifies ammonia and in high doses can be used to stop ammonia and nitrite stress (such as during an unexpected ammonia spike). Aquasafe does not detoxify ammonia; however if a tank is fully cycled, ammonia detoxification is not needed.

I personally have always used Aquasafe as my tank is heavily planted and I want ammonia to be used by my plants for growth

That's good to know! I didn't know that Aquasafe did not actually detoxify ammo. Thanks sik!
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:03 PM   #5
 
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Prime and Aquasafe are both water conditioners. The major difference is that Prime detoxifies ammonia and in high doses can be used to stop ammonia and nitrite stress (such as during an unexpected ammonia spike). Aquasafe does not detoxify ammonia; however if a tank is fully cycled, ammonia detoxification is not needed.

I personally have always used Aquasafe as my tank is heavily planted and I want ammonia to be used by my plants for growth
You can use prime- Prime doesn't get rid of ammonia- it just turns it to ammonium. Plants and bacteria can use it fine, but it's better for your fish.
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:37 PM   #6
 
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You can use prime- Prime doesn't get rid of ammonia- it just turns it to ammonium. Plants and bacteria can use it fine, but it's better for your fish.
This is what I use as well and my plants are doing fine, so are my fish.
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:38 PM   #7
 
prime is the most economical. All the dechlorinators all dechlorinate well as long as you stick to the dosing directions and prime is the one that is the most concentrated. I switch it up between prime and stress coat, just for the slime coat additive of stress coat, but 1 bottle of prime lasts way longer than anything else on the market.
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Old 06-21-2011, 06:08 PM   #8
 
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My recommendation is to use only what you need to use, for what is in your tap water.

Except for sik80 who is in the UK, the rest of us who have so far posted in this thread are in North America. That makes a difference. Municipal water in NA will almost certainly have chlorine in it. In the UK many places don't, or it is so minimal that many highly-experienced aquarists do not use conditioners. Liverpool might be one place that does use it, being a major city.

Chlorine itself is easily removed by various methods. However, many municipalities in NA now also use chloramine, which can only be removed by chemicals. Most--but certainly not all--water conditioners handle both.

The next thing to look for is heavy metals. Most, but again not all, conditioners detoxify these. Those of us with planted tanks wish they did not, because the level of heavy metals in tap water will be trace amounts and these are valuable plant nutrients. Iron, copper, zinc, manganese and nickel. By not using a conditioner that detoxifies heavy metals you can probably get by without plant fertilizer, which is a money saver. However, on well water, this could be an issue, if excessive iron, copper, etc is present; depends upon the well water source. Plants can take up heavy metals and detoxify them just as easily as any water conditioner--and in almost identical amounts--in addition to using some of them as nutrients.

Then we have various types of nitrogen: ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Each one or more of these can be in municipal water supplies. If one of them is, you probably should use a conditioner that also targets this. Few do all of this. Some will detoxify ammonia, a couple will do ammonia and nitrite (Ultimate and Prime, there is another I can never remember), and to my knowledge only Prime also handles nitrate. The purpose of a conditioner that deals with whichever of these is present in the tap water is to handle the initial influx of a very toxic substance (in the case of ammonia and nitrite, less so with nitrate depending upon level). Conditioners like Prime are effective for about 24 hours, by which time the aquarium's plants and/or bacteria should be able to handle the residue.

Personally, I do not recommend Prime unless you have need for all of the above. Adding un-necessary chemical substances to an aquarium should be a last resort. According to many chemists and biologists, the chemicals in Prime likely have a reaction, and while the effect may not be readily apparent, I see no reason to risk it. The less "stuff" entering a closed system with live fish and bacteria, the better. Nature can handle all of these things; let it.

FlashGuppy, if you load a site that sells aquarium supplies online, such as Big Al's or Drs Foster& Smith, and others, do a search of water conditioners; they will group them and you will see the many brands, and they probably have info on what they do. If you know what is in your tap water, track down a conditioner that only deals with that.

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Old 06-21-2011, 09:56 PM   #9
 
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Here's a handy guide to water conditioner comparisons:
Product review of Water Conditioners / Dechlorinators for the aquarium
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:46 PM   #10
 
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Thank you all...this has been so very informative. I appreciate everyone's help and input and I will check out that link that jeaninel posted.
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