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Old 09-01-2011, 11:41 AM   #11
 
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Thanks for all your input. I'm planning to do water changes twice a week from now on. I can...I just didn't want to do it if it wasn't necessary. Now that I've got my routine down, I'll stick to it. Its just unfortunate that the LFS sometimes gives wrong info....or I guess they wanted me to buy more fish after they had croaked

More often then not I am afraid.

I do a Huge water change every 4-5 days. Usually 60%-70%. I know that some might think I over do it but I want my fish to be as healthy as they can be and I believe fully that clean water is the way to achieve that. Also, thus far, my Angels and Gourami and Rainbow shark are all living together peacefully. That might be luck, or aqua-scape but it might also have a little to do with less "crud" in the water. Thinking mostly of Pheromones here. I have it down to a science and it doesn't take much time or effort. I invested in 2 siphons, I start by siphoning water out of the big tank, then start to refill it with the other hose while siphoning out the smaller tank. I works slick. I am a firm believer that having the right equipment makes life so much easier and it is well worth the investment, in my opinion. You can certainly get by with one but I highly recommend having a siphon for filling and cleaning rather then doing the old bucket fill method. Also, I think that dumping loads of water at once, like a bucket full is more stressful to the fish. Don't know if you are doing that, just thought I woudl throw it out there. :)

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I got another question:

In my 55 gallon, whenever I do a water change, one or more of my glowlight tetras die. I am not sure what is going on! I did a 10% water change yesterday night and the water parameters are (as of 30 minutes ago):
Ammonia, nitrites & nitrates = 0 mg/L
pH = 7.8
hardness = 150 mg/ml

I got the water tested at my local Petsmart...the units are different from ppm (which is on my kit), but I suppose they're equivalent. They did the water test when I returned the one dead fish.
I got 8 glowlights on the 20th of July. Now I just have 3 left! I have noticed that on one of them, the face got opaque as if it was wearing a mask...the rest of the body is transparent, which is normal (except where they have the stripe).

Ami if ou have no nitrates, your tank is not cycled. To my understanding Glowlights are a bit more on the sensitive side and by that I mean, not for cycling a tank. In a healthy tank you want to have some Nitrates 10-20ppm. How long has your tank been set up?

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Old 09-01-2011, 12:24 PM   #12
 
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I got another question:

In my 55 gallon, whenever I do a water change, one or more of my glowlight tetras die. I am not sure what is going on! I did a 10% water change yesterday night and the water parameters are (as of 30 minutes ago):
Ammonia, nitrites & nitrates = 0 mg/L
pH = 7.8
hardness = 150 mg/ml

I got the water tested at my local Petsmart...the units are differnet from ppm (which is on my kit), but I suppose they're equivalent. They did the water test when I returned the one dead fish.
I got 8 glowlights on the 20th of July. Now I just have 3 left! I have noticed that on one of them, the face got opaque as if it was wearing a mask...the rest of the body is transparent, which is normal (except where they have the stripe).
The glowlights might have something. I am by no means well versed on disease issues, but other members are. A photo might help us identify something.

The pH is a bit high for glowlights, but I would not expect them to die from it, just not be as colourful. Hardness is OK, that equates to 8 dGH. Nitrates at zero leads me to assume there are live plants, if yes, that is fine.

It won't hurt to examine the water parameters anyway. Next time, test the aquarium just prior to a water change, i.e., after it has been running for a few days. Test ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH. Then do the water change. And retest everything an hour later. Post the results, something may show up. Also, test the tap water for pH, let a glass of water sit out overnight.

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Old 09-01-2011, 01:00 PM   #13
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More often then not I am afraid.

I do a Huge water change every 4-5 days. Usually 60%-70%. I know that some might think I over do it but I want my fish to be as healthy as they can be and I believe fully that clean water is the way to achieve that. Also, thus far, my Angels and Gourami and Rainbow shark are all living together peacefully. That might be luck, or aqua-scape but it might also have a little to do with less "crud" in the water. Thinking mostly of Pheromones here. I have it down to a science and it doesn't take much time or effort. I invested in 2 siphons, I start by siphoning water out of the big tank, then start to refill it with the other hose while siphoning out the smaller tank. I works slick. I am a firm believer that having the right equipment makes life so much easier and it is well worth the investment, in my opinion. You can certainly get by with one but I highly recommend having a siphon for filling and cleaning rather then doing the old bucket fill method. Also, I think that dumping loads of water at once, like a bucket full is more stressful to the fish. Don't know if you are doing that, just thought I woudl throw it out there. :)


Ami if ou have no nitrates, your tank is not cycled. To my understanding Glowlights are a bit more on the sensitive side and by that I mean, not for cycling a tank. In a healthy tank you want to have some Nitrates 10-20ppm. How long has your tank been set up?
Well, the tank has been running since the last week of July. The first week had a bloom and its been fine since. All my other fish are fine (Honey Gouramis, Neon tetras and otos). It occurred to me that dumping in the water isn't such a good idea, so I started putting it into the HOB filter as it ran (for even mixing). I dilute my tap water with distilled, so I'm not sure if I can use a siphon for filling. However, I'll definitely invest in one for pumping the water out. The bucket is a bit tedious for the 55
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:08 PM   #14
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The glowlights might have something. I am by no means well versed on disease issues, but other members are. A photo might help us identify something.

The pH is a bit high for glowlights, but I would not expect them to die from it, just not be as colourful. Hardness is OK, that equates to 8 dGH. Nitrates at zero leads me to assume there are live plants, if yes, that is fine.

It won't hurt to examine the water parameters anyway. Next time, test the aquarium just prior to a water change, i.e., after it has been running for a few days. Test ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH. Then do the water change. And retest everything an hour later. Post the results, something may show up. Also, test the tap water for pH, let a glass of water sit out overnight.

Byron.
Thanks for the heads up on the glowlights. I shouldn't have relied on the Petsmart sign that said it was a fish for beginners ! Next time I'll post my water parameters and then decide (based on your feedback) if my tanks are ready for the fish I want or not . 1 of the 3 of my glowlights isn't as bright as the other 2. One of them is also very heavy with eggs (fortunately its one of the healthier ones). Am wondering whether to quarantine it, or just let it lay eggs in the 55 if it survives long enough.
Regarding the nitrates, yeah, my 55 gallon is well planted. I'll be borrowing a camera this weekend and post it. The last camera I borrowed was a little too tricky for me to use

Will do the water tests like you asked me to.

BTW, are my water parameters OK for Harlequin rasboras?

Thanks a heap for all your help
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:30 PM   #15
 
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Thanks for the heads up on the glowlights. I shouldn't have relied on the Petsmart sign that said it was a fish for beginners ! Next time I'll post my water parameters and then decide (based on your feedback) if my tanks are ready for the fish I want or not . 1 of the 3 of my glowlights isn't as bright as the other 2. One of them is also very heavy with eggs (fortunately its one of the healthier ones). Am wondering whether to quarantine it, or just let it lay eggs in the 55 if it survives long enough.
Regarding the nitrates, yeah, my 55 gallon is well planted. I'll be borrowing a camera this weekend and post it. The last camera I borrowed was a little too tricky for me to use

Will do the water tests like you asked me to.

BTW, are my water parameters OK for Harlequin rasboras?

Thanks a heap for all your help
Fish often spawn, unnoticed; they or other fish will almost always eat the eggs, or the fry. Sometimes a few may manage to survive in well planted tanks. But dn't move the glowlight, let nature do whatever.

As you are diluting the tap water, you might want to do a bit more diluting to lower the GH by half. This should allow the pH to start dropping. This won't happen overnight.

Harlequins are much liek glowlights in their water preferences. Both will be more colourful in a lower pH. Done naturally.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:44 PM   #16
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Fish often spawn, unnoticed; they or other fish will almost always eat the eggs, or the fry. Sometimes a few may manage to survive in well planted tanks. But dn't move the glowlight, let nature do whatever.

As you are diluting the tap water, you might want to do a bit more diluting to lower the GH by half. This should allow the pH to start dropping. This won't happen overnight.

Harlequins are much liek glowlights in their water preferences. Both will be more colourful in a lower pH. Done naturally.
Okie dokie.I'll let nature do its thing. I just hope the female survives long enough to lay the eggs. The last 3 had a ton of eggs when the Petsmart rep burst their tummies (thye were already dead).
You know, what I really don't understand? The Petsmart where I got the fish have ALL their fish in tap water with a hardness of near 300ppm and pH 8.3. The tank from which I got the glowlights seem to be doing just fine. I wish they'd take the remaning 3 back so that they at least survive...but they only take dead fish ! I was kinda hoping my fish would do better and better as the hardness went down.

I'll keep diluting until I get the right GH. Once that stabilizes, I'll get some harlequins...I think I'll get them first

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Old 09-01-2011, 02:03 PM   #17
 
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Okie dokie.I'll let nature do its thing. I just hope the female survives long enough to lay the eggs. The last 3 had a ton of eggs when the Petsmart rep burst their tummies (thye were already dead).
You know, what I really don't understand? The Petsmart where I got the fish have ALL their fish in tap water with a hardness of near 300ppm and pH 8.3. The tank from which I got the glowlights seem to be doing just fine. I wish they'd take the remaning 3 back so that they at least survive...but they only take dead fish ! I was kinda hoping my fish would do better and better as the hardness went down.

I'll keep diluting until I get the right GH. Once that stabilizes, I'll get some harlequins...I think I'll get them first

Keep in mind that Petsmart only has the fish short term until they sell. Most of these popular species sell quickly, within days of getting to the store. The just dip out the ones that don't survive and get more. My local store has a heck of a time keeping certain species in stock because they sell so quickly.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:06 PM   #18
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Keep in mind that Petsmart only has the fish short term until they sell. Most of these popular species sell quickly, within days of getting to the store. The just dip out the ones that don't survive and get more. My local store has a heck of a time keeping certain species in stock because they sell so quickly.
Oh yeah...I'd forgotten that part of the equation. I guess that also explains why they have a 2 week guarantee (as long as your water is OK). They are sure that they're gonna give you some half-dead fish
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:18 PM   #19
 
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Though I no longer trust a word that comes out of the sales persons mouths at Petsmart, I have been fairly lucky with the fish I have gotten. When I was first getting back into fish, I believed they were steering me right when they sold me, Tiger Barbs, Leporinus (for a planted tank) and Multiple Gourami. Needless to say, I had to do daily water changes of like 70%, The Leporinus ate all of my plants in no time and the Gourami were dead set on killing each other.

I learned a valuable lesson. Research all fish before adding them to your tank. ha ha

As far as the health of the fish, I have not had any issues. I guess I have been lucky, I have not lost many fish to illness or anything. Other then the fighting Gourami who killed a few. :(
Knowing what you are getting is the biggest thing. Like getting Oto's from the fish store and tossing them into a freshly set up tank with no algae. They will die as they will starve to death. Horrid way to go. Also I forgot to add to the list the Sailfin pleco I now have . I will need to re-home or buy a larger tank for him as he is going to get up to a foot and half long. Not so good in a 60 gallon tank.

I guess there are all kinds of people that buy fish. The kind that want fish because they are pretty and those that want them for that reason AND to give the best possible life to the fish they have by creating a good habitat for the fish and keeping them in clean fresh water. I was so happy to find a forum that I was able to learn from. There is alot to know and many of the people here are the ones to teach. I know each day is a learning experience but thanks to a few sales people at Petsmart. Some of my learning happened at the price of a few fish lives.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:22 PM   #20
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Though I no longer trust a word that comes out of the sales persons mouths at Petsmart, I have been fairly lucky with the fish I have gotten. When I was first getting back into fish, I believed they were steering me right when they sold me, Tiger Barbs, Leporinus (for a planted tank) and Multiple Gourami. Needless to say, I had to do daily water changes of like 70%, The Leporinus ate all of my plants in no time and the Gourami were dead set on killing each other.

I learned a valuable lesson. Research all fish before adding them to your tank. ha ha

As far as the health of the fish, I have not had any issues. I guess I have been lucky, I have not lost many fish to illness or anything. Other then the fighting Gourami who killed a few. :(
Knowing what you are getting is the biggest thing. Like getting Oto's from the fish store and tossing them into a freshly set up tank with no algae. They will die as they will starve to death. Horrid way to go. Also I forgot to add to the list the Sailfin pleco I now have . I will need to re-home or buy a larger tank for him as he is going to get up to a foot and half long. Not so good in a 60 gallon tank.

I guess there are all kinds of people that buy fish. The kind that want fish because they are pretty and those that want them for that reason AND to give the best possible life to the fish they have by creating a good habitat for the fish and keeping them in clean fresh water. I was so happy to find a forum that I was able to learn from. There is alot to know and many of the people here are the ones to teach. I know each day is a learning experience but thanks to a few sales people at Petsmart. Some of my learning happened at the price of a few fish lives.
I guess I've been quite fortunate with my fish from both Petsmart and Petco out here in Lincoln, NE. However, I think I hit a wall with the glowlight tetras. I got 3 honey gouramis, but I am almost sure that 2 of them are females. I'll be getting a camera and hope to post the pics over the weekend.
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