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Old 12-09-2006, 11:44 AM   #11
 
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Imho do a 20- 30% water change once a month.The plants will use up any fish poo and fish food. Don't go over kill with the gravle vac. Just vac a little in the open spots. By doing large water changes in a non CO2, fert tank your just increse and decrease the CO2 levles. This will lead to BBG algea.
AS for a cheap water softener look into Peat moss.

This post is because you keep plants, and buy doing so a few of the rules change.
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Old 12-09-2006, 12:11 PM   #12
 
Is the discoloration happening the whole day? When I had neons, they only discolored usually first thing in the morning. I think it's becuase they are tired and don't color up well when waking up. After a few hours, their color was bright as normal.
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Old 12-09-2006, 02:11 PM   #13
 
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First, my neons do the same thing. When the lights come on they look like ghosts but color up during the day.

As for water changes, I don't think once a month is enough, not by far. Yes, the plants use up a lot of stuff, yes they do make a tank more balanced but there are things that plants don't remove. These are salts, undissolved solids from both fish waste and decaying plant matter. And anything in the water as far as undissolved and dissolved matter that builds up over time. Also, ever time you add water to the tank to compensate for evaporation, you put more heavy metals into the tank and other dfissolved an undissolved soilds that will build up over time.

Gravel vacs are extremely important unless you have complete coverage of your substrate and simply can not gravel vac. I have a massive plant load in my 10 gallon tanks and I make sure to gravel vac as much as possible because huge amounts of gunk collect in the substrate if you don't. Worst case scenario, the builup of Gunk creates an anarobic pocket and hydrogen sulfide builds up to the point it realeses and kills all your fish. I have never had this happen but have heard the first hand stories of a tank going form perfect to smelling like ritten eggs with a tank full of dead fish in the morning. I also do not overfeed and probably underfeed because my fish will almost jump out the tank for food.

I could agree with a heavily planted tank and doing a once a month water change if you only have 10 neons in 55 gallon tank. Any sort of medium to heavy bioload and I would never go longer than 2 weeks nor less than a 50% water change. IMHO
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Old 12-09-2006, 09:00 PM   #14
 
Folks:

I have been following this thread and the following are several item based on experience or research of the literature which I believe to be pertinent.


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The fish are pretty disturbed when i do a vac.
Mine were also when I started my approximately monthly 25% WC's due to a "good gravel vaccum" but they have "gotten used to it".


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I would but i only have the amonia and the nirite.
If you are fairly new to the hobby, as I am, I can recommend the the TetraTest Laborett and the TetraTest NO3 test kit.

These kits are inexpensive and have "been a ton of help" to me while gaining experience.


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I do a 50%+ water change each week. Sometimes my fish don't mind, other times they pout for a day or so.
Per my experience (please bear in mind only 8 months worth) 10% daily WC's are significantly preferable to a 50% weekly WC (although they are not equal).

The fish are "pouting" because they do not feel good due to the instantaneous change in water parameters.


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Another key is temperature. My fish almost revolt against me when the temperature is higher than the water in the tank. I always shoot for about 2 dergees below tank temperature for my water changes.
I have found this to be very true also when I do a 25% WC and refill with tap water.


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One other thing is you are changing a little too much if you are doing 75% of the water. Unless you balance your KH and GH, the swings in both can be very stressful.
Yep:

IMHO 75% is way, way too much and as set forth in the remainder of F4A's post the instantaneous change in water parameters is "really stressing out" your fish.


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to tell you the truth i dont dose anything. No ferts,co2,decloranizers,nothing.
In general this is good!


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I have a water softener.
Uh Oh!!!

Unless you have a high end water softener (ie. RO) you are probably inducing serious salt into your tank!

The chemicals which you are putting in your water softener are only converting (in it's most simplistic explanation) calcium chloride (CaCl) to sodium salt (NaCl) or potassium salt (KCl).



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First, my neons do the same thing. When the lights come on they look like ghosts but color up during the day.
My neons and glowlights have the same very, very nice coloration when the lights first come on!


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Gravel vacs are extremely important
Yep!!!

In my experience gathering I had a serious ammonia and nitrite spike mostly due to "gunk" which had built up but which was not observable from the front or sides of the tank.

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Old 12-10-2006, 04:45 AM   #15
 
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Jones,
I couldn't have said it better!!! Great post with all the right stuff in it. You're the only one who caught the water softener problem, I was glad to see that someone did. I've seen the damage water softeners can do to aquariums and the animals, and it's very sad. I vote for a combination of all of the mentioned issues as being the problem with the fish.
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Old 12-10-2006, 09:00 AM   #16
 
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Jones,
I couldn't have said it better!!! Great post with all the right stuff in it. You're the only one who caught the water softener problem, I was glad to see that someone did. I've seen the damage water softeners can do to aquariums and the animals, and it's very sad. I vote for a combination of all of the mentioned issues as being the problem with the fish.
TY

Those comments coming from Dawn only mean that I will "have to grease my ears" in order to get my head through doors!!!

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