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Old 11-14-2012, 08:39 PM   #11
 
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Here are the results...

pH: light yellow (API test kit = 6 or less)
Same with hot or cold

After shaken and left sitting: Mid-Yellow (6.2-6.3)

Also, I have a LOT of bubbles in my water after I let it sit. I filter it and it takes 12 hours for all the bubbles to go away. Is this normal?
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:50 PM   #12
 
When I was on a well I just ran a hose from sink to tank and filled it straight that way, usually 50% weekly. Never even bothered with any dechlor or conditioner, its well water after all.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:21 AM   #13
 
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But you have to consider the other things in the conditioner. Like slime coat. ;)

Anyway, does anyone have any insight on my pH spikes? My tank contains...
6lb aquarium gravel from walmart that was cleaned by soaking in weak vinigar water and rinsed and soaked in clean water MULTIPLE times before introducing
Various glass jars
A plastic plant (no sharp edges!)
2 aquarium rocks (1 that's coral-esk and 1 that's painted rainbow from walmart. Both tested with vinager. No fizz)
1 Eggshell broken into pieces, but not crushed (pH thing was happening before that was put in)

Also, I have a pic of it in my album if you would like to see it.

Any thoughts?

Also, what would be a good/best sinking food for my bottom feeders?
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:59 AM   #14
 
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To confirm: tap water pH is low 6's, say 6.3 (and you shook it to outgas the CO2), but tank water is 7.4 to 7.8 even. There would seem to be something calcareous in the tank.

The "coral" rock is the most likely suspect. Do you know exactly what substance this is made from? If it is true coral, it is calcareous and this will raise the pH (and the GH a bit).

I would check the gravel too. If you still have the bag, or can link to it online, does it mention anything about the gravel affecting hardness or pH? Those that do usually say this on the bag somewhere, though we can't be sure. Is the gravel white?

Eggshell will also raise pH. Why are you adding this?

There is no need to be washing new gravel in anything but tap water to rinse out the dust. Some of the vinegar (or any other substance used) can soak into the gravel and leech out in the aquarium. Now vinegar being an acid would not raise the pH, but this is just a cajution generally not to use substances aside from water.

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Old 11-15-2012, 05:24 PM   #15
 
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Thanks! Looks like the rainbow cave is the cause as it's ceramic. The "coral" actually looks like wood coated in rubber (just a guess) and it was in my 1.8gal before and had no problems.

The gravel is AquaCulture Aquarium Gravel. The site states it wont change pH.

I gave the gravel a good cleaning and changed out some of the water. Hoping it helps stablize it.

The eggshell was removed too. I added it because my water is so soft and Magic (snail) needs calcium. I didn't know of anything else to add for it! Any sugestions?
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:22 PM   #16
 
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The rise in ph from letting it sit is just co2... Its harmless, and good for live plants if you have any.

If your tank raises that much, you probably have something calcerous in it... (like a rock)

I wouldn't worry too much, other than removing the rock if thats the problem.

As for the shrimp, they might be Amano Shrimp, but ghosts can get up to 2 inches or so.

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Old 11-15-2012, 06:49 PM   #17
 
using a product like 'slime coat' is totally unnecessary some of them are more irritants then anything. Any healthy fish will not have any problem maintaining its slime coat. When I do feel the need to use dechlor I use prime or basic sodium thiosulfate. I had tons of fish spawning just using my straight well water and not messing around with it. Angels, rams, tetras, gouramis, rainbows, to name a few and the TDS of that water was ~250ppm. I'm currently on city water which has some ammonia in tap and I'm pretty sure chloramines I let it sit at least 24 hours mainly because it has a pH drop instead of a pH increase and one larger then you are experiencing(8.5 out of tap and tanks sit at ~7.2). I still don't use any dechlor with 50% water changes and I've bred quite a few fish and currently have a bunch of happy fry doing just fine.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:17 PM   #18
 
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*sigh*
I wish yall would make up my mind!

pH swings, bad or normal?
I only have a Marimo ball, but I hope the eventually get another plant. Maybe a Water Sprite.

Treat or no treat?
API or Tetra Plus? (those are what I have to choose from)
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:44 PM   #19
 
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*sigh*
I wish yall would make up my mind!

pH swings, bad or normal?
I only have a Marimo ball, but I hope the eventually get another plant. Maybe a Water Sprite.

Treat or no treat?
API or Tetra Plus? (those are what I have to choose from)
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The pH fluctuations in the aquarium of 1 degree (and again, to ensure clarity, this means from 6.2 to 7.2 or more) are stressful on fish and must be avoided. A diurnal variaton of a few decimal points is fine, over the course of the day/night. The other question is how much does tha actual tank change with each water change? This is not likely to be so great, but it should be checked.

We already suggested you don't need a conditioner from what you've told us.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:44 PM   #20
 
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So, no conditioner. It worries me to not treat, but if yall say it's safe, then I'll give it a try after I go to PetSmart and get my tap tested for Nitrate.

My tests only go up to 7.8, so if they fluxuate when above that, I dont know. I do know it takes a MASSIVE pwc to lower it in range. I had a problem before with pH spikes thanks to a PetSmart employee selling me a large seashell as a hiding spot for my shrimp. I know I changed out the water, but I dont remember if I rinsed that gravel. It was 2lb and I added it in with the new gravel when I upgraded to the 10gal.
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