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wanting input on fish feeding
Old 03-27-2011, 09:15 PM   #1
 
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wanting input on fish feeding


I can't be the only one who worries about this. I have various types of food I offer my fish and I try to put a sinking shrimp pellet or sinking veg wafers in to allow my ghost shrimp and snail to eat. Also perhaps I will one day get some other type of bottom feeders however, the other fish in the tank (danios and dwarf rainbows) always take it, and even if my shrimp gets ahold of a piece they steal it. Or I'll see a Dwarf Rainbow with a piece of sinking shrimp pellet in his mouth, holding it, waiting for it to break down so he can eat it. I also feed the floating food at the same time, or frozen bloodworms, but it doesn't matter, they will find and steal the bottom food.

I am really trying to balance not over feeding, and I only feed once a day, and a small amount that they eat in less than one minute. They are all pigs!

23 gal planted tank
5 zebra danios
5 Dwarf Rainbows
2 ghost shrimp
1 mystery snail

Coming soon a 43 gal (need to cycle it still)

Any thoughts? Am I worried about nothing? Do they all manage to find what they need?

Gwen
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Old 03-27-2011, 09:27 PM   #2
 
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I can't be the only one who worries about this. I have various types of food I offer my fish and I try to put a sinking shrimp pellet or sinking veg wafers in to allow my ghost shrimp and snail to eat. Also perhaps I will one day get some other type of bottom feeders however, the other fish in the tank (danios and dwarf rainbows) always take it, and even if my shrimp gets ahold of a piece they steal it. Or I'll see a Dwarf Rainbow with a piece of sinking shrimp pellet in his mouth, holding it, waiting for it to break down so he can eat it. I also feed the floating food at the same time, or frozen bloodworms, but it doesn't matter, they will find and steal the bottom food.

I am really trying to balance not over feeding, and I only feed once a day, and a small amount that they eat in less than one minute. They are all pigs!

23 gal planted tank
5 zebra danios
5 Dwarf Rainbows
2 ghost shrimp
1 mystery snail

Coming soon a 43 gal (need to cycle it still)

Any thoughts? Am I worried about nothing? Do they all manage to find what they need?

Gwen

I would try to feed twice a day. If they eat it all that fast and steal from the bottom, a second feeding would probably be fine. As far as overfeeding, if they eat it all that fast, I dont think you have a concern. Feedings more often (even small) should help. Most feedings generally tank 2-3 minutes for them to get enough food from my understanding. Could you be underfeeding by chance?

I feed twice a day (I know I overfeed each time, lol, trying to cut back) but I start with a healthy pinch of freeze-dried bloodworms, then I add in a healthy pinch of flake, a small pinch of sinking granuals, anywhere from 5-8 sinking shrimp pellets, and a veggie round. Yes, twice a day, I know I am horrible!!! But none of the fish try to steal the cories' shrimp pellets or veggie round...except for the very large black molly...he likes to help them munch on them inbetween feedings. lol. (That feeding is regarding my 29 gallon...my 5 gallon gets fed twice a day too, but with much less and only of the bloodworms, a flake mix of tropical and color enhancing, as well as ReptoMin Frog.)

I have heard that multiple small feedings a day is better not only for young fish, but smaller fish as well.
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Old 03-27-2011, 09:27 PM   #3
 
I have a ghost shrimp who is able to eat quite well on the 'scraps' that my other fish let sink to the bottom. He's growing pretty quickly so I think he's getting plenty to eat. I've always been told to feed twice a day, and to limit the amount to whatever your fish can eat within about 2 minutes. (I've also seen people suggest a 3 minute limit, and even a 5 minute limit) The other day I actually used a stopwatch just to make sure I was judging the amount correctly. How long have you had the tank? If they've all been living together for awhile, and no one has starved to death yet, then you may be worrying for nothing.

I love your quote about animals being heard!
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Old 03-27-2011, 09:40 PM   #4
 
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Thanks to you both. I read your posts and ran and fed my fish again - LOL! My tank has been stocked for about 2 months now. I was warned of over feeding and high nitrates, so I'm cautious. I was surprised to hear how much you feed. I do 50% WC every week, and at the end of the week my nitrates are at 20ppm, so it would seem I'm overfeeding, because I'd love to have no nitrates. I have many plants, so I don't see why I have nitrates.

If I feed more, I may have to do another WC. Good input, I do appreciate hearing from others about how often and amount they feed.

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Old 03-27-2011, 09:43 PM   #5
 
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I have a ghost shrimp who is able to eat quite well on the 'scraps' that my other fish let sink to the bottom. He's growing pretty quickly so I think he's getting plenty to eat. I've always been told to feed twice a day, and to limit the amount to whatever your fish can eat within about 2 minutes. (I've also seen people suggest a 3 minute limit, and even a 5 minute limit) The other day I actually used a stopwatch just to make sure I was judging the amount correctly. How long have you had the tank? If they've all been living together for awhile, and no one has starved to death yet, then you may be worrying for nothing.

I love your quote about animals being heard!
Jenna,

I feel bad, thinking perhaps one of my ghost shrimp staved and was eaten! Yikes. I had 3 GS, but for the life of me, can never see more than 2, so I've been wondering if he died and got eaten. I hope I didn't starve him. I can't say mine are really growing, so I guess I should feed more so they have a chance to get scraps.

thanks!

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Old 03-27-2011, 11:09 PM   #6
 
ive seen people use acrylic tubes to allow the sinking foods to reach the bottom of the tank, usually fish like danio's who like to eat at eye level or from the surface will be less interested in food already on the bottom of the tank. Another thing is to try using disc shaped wafers. Those are usually too big and difficult to carry to run away with.
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:18 PM   #7
 
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Thanks to you both. I read your posts and ran and fed my fish again - LOL! My tank has been stocked for about 2 months now. I was warned of over feeding and high nitrates, so I'm cautious. I was surprised to hear how much you feed. I do 50% WC every week, and at the end of the week my nitrates are at 20ppm, so it would seem I'm overfeeding, because I'd love to have no nitrates. I have many plants, so I don't see why I have nitrates.

If I feed more, I may have to do another WC. Good input, I do appreciate hearing from others about how often and amount they feed.

Gwen
I wouldnt recommend feeding as much as I do...I KNOW I overfeed, it's an issue I am trying to fix with myself (I just always worry if I dont feed enough someone might still be hungry...even though I know a fish can go as long as like 4 days without food...I just hate the thought of one of my tank babies being even the tad bit hungry, lol).

My nitrates are always 20ppm, in both my tanks. I see no ill effects from my fish, and I believe 20ppm is okay, its just on the high end of the spectrum for safe (dont quote me though).

When I do water changes, I only do about 20% once a week. I do a 50% once a month when I am doing a hard core gravel vac. I fully believe that smaller more frequent water changes are best.

If you are concerned with your nitrates, first take a glass of tap water, let it sit for about an hour, then do a water parameters check on your tap water, sometimes it contains nitrate in it already. If that isnt the case, then maybe doing a 15-20% water change every 3-4 days would help more than one massive water change per week.

Oh, the good news is, for my 2nd feeding today I managed to feed about half of what I normally do, and I didnt feel as guilty as I thought I would, lol. It took my fishies in the big tank about 3 minutes to eat most of it, and a few pieces made it down to the bottom, but with 8 cories I am not worried about that. lol. (I feed the sinking granuals because the neons like to feed in the middle of the tank, and this way I can make sure they are getting food instead of having to wait to see if the guppies and mollies let any flakes get to them...yes, I know, I am a total worry-wart/NUT! lol)

I for sure feed more than you are suppose to (at least on my big tank). And I use a lot of different kinds of foods, but each food is for a different species to eat (except the bloodworms, those are for everyone...and actually I am going to stop feeding those twice a day and cut down to once a day, probably in the morning when they seem to be the hungriest). The flakes feed the guppies and the mollies, the granuals for the neons, the sinking shrimp pellets are for the black molly and the cories, and the veggie discs are for the cories...however they all seem to get a little bit of everything. I guess I am just a seriously endulgant fish mommy. lol

Glad you fed them again, I can understand your worries and causiousness, but we dont want them to go hungry, lol.
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:46 PM   #8
 
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Lightbulb Desired Nitrate levels

So I got curious to how accurate I was to say that 20ppm was on the high side of safe for nitrate levels...so I did some research.

I will attach the link to were I found it (from about.com, which I consider very correct, or has always been for me).

Anywho...here is the quote that is concerning what I was looking for...

"In nature nitrates remain very low, generally well below 5 ppm. In freshwater aquariums nitrates should be kept below 50 pm at all times, preferably below 25 ppm. If you are breeding fish, or are battling algae growth, keep nitrates below 10 ppm."

Hope that helps you to feel better regarding your (and mine) nitrate levels in accordance with feeding your fish.

Comparing our feeding levels to the fact that we have the same nitrate levels...I HIGHLY doubt yours is coming from overfeeding. :)

http://freshaquarium.about.com/od/wa...a/nitrates.htm
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:16 AM   #9
 
if you're worried about bottom feeders not getting enough food, suspend the food in some water and use a pipette or turkey baster to put it on the bottom, or wherever you want it, by hand

Its amazing how little food fish really need. I have 47 small-medium fish and they get a small pinch of hikari micro pellets and 2-3 hikari sinking pellets per day. Every few days I give them a single cube of frozen bloodworms and no dried food. They also get occasional treats like daphnia and chopped earthworm
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:37 AM   #10
 
My GS likes to hide, sometimes I don't see him for days on end, and then suddenly there he is, strutting around the bottom of the tank. I acquired him by accident, somehow he was in a bag from the pet store with other fish I had bought. The first time I saw him, I was like, "What the HECK is that?"

Anyway.... I guess every owner and every tank is different. It may be a matter of experimenting a bit to find the right times/amounts that will work for you.

All the best to you!
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