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Old 06-20-2012, 05:56 AM   #1
 
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I am writing this with a heavy heart. I have been thinkin abiut "weeding" out the 7 Goldfish that came with the tank when I got it for a great deal when I found it off of craigslist. Anyway, all 7 of the goldfish, one being the bigest at 3 inches including his beautiful tail, I would like to keep the bigest one (he is the sweetest fish, I put my finger on the outside of they tank and trace it along the tank wall, and this little fella always follows my finger all the time (it's really cute) Plus he is a little funny looking (I call him Nemo because one of his side fins are way smaller than his other one. I would like to get rid of the others and start with come Guppies, and maybe a few corys and a few others. I know I read where that goldies aren't really good mixed with other fish. Would yall sugest this ? (keepin Nemo) ? And what really would I do with the others. All the rest are deformed in one way or the other, some have slightly crooked backs that make their tails look really deformed, their tail look waaaay odd. I really dont know how old they are, I forgot to ask when I got them. What should I maybe do with the others, and should I keep just the biggest & prettiest one ?
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:10 AM   #2
 
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I hope this is an 80g or larger tank?

Goldfish need an enourmouse amount of water due to how much waste they create.

You can not mix them with tropical fish though, the temperature requirements are too far apart. There are some freshwater fish that can do well in cold water but I don't know them off the top of my head. The ones you mentioned though need warm water which the Goldfish will not tolerate.

You can try to give them away through craigslist or similar, or you can see if a local fish store will take them.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:05 AM   #3
 
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Actually guppies and some species of cories can easily be kept in temperatures around 75F. Goldfish also thrive at these temperatures. It's once you get above 80F that goldfish can have some problems due to their high oxygen demands and large waste output. There is also the problem that a grown goldfish will think nothing of making a meal out of a guppy.

As Geomancer mentioned, you need a LARGE tank to keep seven goldfish. Eighty gallons or more. I have only two goldfish in my 55 gallon tank. Since I can see that they are common goldfish and not the fancies, they will need even more room. I'm talking a 100+ gallon aquarium. A pond would be better. Even to keep one common (single-tailed) goldfish you would need a 55+ gallon aquarium.

I can also see that all of your goldfish show signs of stunting. This is from being kept in a tank that is too small for them. Their bent spines and lack of muscles are indicative of this. We don't fault you for it; it was the original owner's fault. But this does mean that most likely no store will take them. No one wants deformed fish swimming around their tank.

Since you can't safely keep even a single common goldfish in your current tank, if you want to keep Nemo, you will need a larger tank. You could build a small outdoor pond for all of them and then restock your 29 gallon tank with guppies and cories. I'm sorry to put this burden on you, but you might have to cull all of them if you can't get a bigger tank.
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:04 PM   #4
 
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Oh My Gosh !!!! I had no idea about the size of the tank with 7 goldfish was way to much ! holy crap ! I had an aquarium many years ago, but this is my first one since a very long time. Back in 1989 they didn't have this neat message boards to learn EVERYTHING ya wanna and need to know about keepin fish. I LOVE THIS BOARD !!! No wonder the poor Goldies are all deformed ! The fella that I got the tank from probably didnt know either, and didnt bother to do the research. I will figure something out to do with them. And stock my tank with the appropriate size fish for a 29 gallon. THANK YALL SOOOO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP !!!! P.S. I LOVE THIS MESSAGE BOARD !!!!!
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:01 PM   #5
 
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I think you mean holy carp

It's sad that there is a lot of bad information out there about goldfish. I'm glad we could help you and your fish. :) One of the best things you can do for those goldfish right now is large water changes and good food. I'm guessing they didn't have too many water changes with their other owner, so slowly increase the amount to about 50% twice a week. Always make sure you get the gunk from the bottom. Those python hoses help a LOT! I can't imagine doing water changes on a goldfish tank without them. For food New Life Spectrum sinking pellets are best. They have enough protein and nutrients to help your little guys gain some muscle mass back. You can find them at Petco (I don't think Petsmart carries them).
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:34 AM   #6
 
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thanks sooo much again for your input and help. I texted the dude today that I got the aquarium and fish from just to ask him how old the filter was. Because it's not doin a very good jon at stayin that clean. I did a water change Sunday, of about 5 or 6 gallons whick cleared it up for two days, but, it's gettin cloudy again today. He said the filter was bought 7 years or so ago. I was wonderin if that's kinda old, I'm slowly tryin to go thru this message board and read and find out as much as I can about keepin fish, but haven't came across any topics on that. Thanks again, Izzy !!!!
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:58 AM   #7
 
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Actually guppies and some species of cories can easily be kept in temperatures around 75F. Goldfish also thrive at these temperatures. It's once you get above 80F that goldfish can have some problems due to their high oxygen demands and large waste output. There is also the problem that a grown goldfish will think nothing of making a meal out of a guppy.
Good to know, thanks! For some reason I was thinking these guys were usually in the mid 60's.

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thanks sooo much again for your input and help. I texted the dude today that I got the aquarium and fish from just to ask him how old the filter was. Because it's not doin a very good jon at stayin that clean. I did a water change Sunday, of about 5 or 6 gallons whick cleared it up for two days, but, it's gettin cloudy again today. He said the filter was bought 7 years or so ago. I was wonderin if that's kinda old, I'm slowly tryin to go thru this message board and read and find out as much as I can about keepin fish, but haven't came across any topics on that. Thanks again, Izzy !!!!

The age of the filter isn't really important. It will work the same as the day it was new, unless the impeller gets damaged or the tubing gets cloged up but that can be cleaned.

Goldfish are very messy fish which is why they need so much water. They are the cows of the water world ;)

Normally with regular stocking levels you'll want to change 1/3 to 1/2 of the tank every week. So on the 29 gallon, I would change at least 10-15 gallons a week. At each change you will need to rinse out the filter pad in the old tank water so that it doesn't get clogged up and reduce the water flow.

It's really too small for those fish though =/ Make a post on craigslist, state their plight and offer them for free to anyone with a good home.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:32 AM   #8
 
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Any amount of them gone would be nice. Just if you do adopt them out, don't let them go into another tank.. Make sure it's a pond. Then again they are in bad shape so they might not do well in a pond. Not sure, wait for Izzy on that one.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:12 PM   #9
 
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Good to know, thanks! For some reason I was thinking these guys were usually in the mid 60's.
No problem. It's a common misconception about goldfish.

Kelly, it's entirely possible that the goldfish are also 7 years old; I'll get to this point in a minute. While being old doesn't make a filter work poorly, not ever being cleaned probably will. My oldest filter is close to 7 years old, but still works just like it did when I first hooked it up. Maybe try cleaning it out.

If the goldfish are indeed 7 years old, then they might not have too much longer to live. A comet goldfish in good conditions typically lives 15-20 years. Stunting will also reduce the lifespan of a fish. So I don't know how much long they will be around.

But Olympia is right. The less goldfish in that tank, the better. Cows of the water world; good one, Geomancer. If it were a single goldfish that is that stunted, it could probably live out its life in a 40 gallon tank, but that many goldfish that are stunted will probably still need a 75 gallon tank. I don't think a pond is a good place for them right now. They need to build up their muscles in a longer tank first. Depending on how well they recover, some might be able to go into a pond. If you do find someone to take them, make sure they know what they are doing with goldfish. These guys will need a lot of TLC.
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