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Part of the reason I went with the Eco-Complete was because it wasn't coated in some goo that would come off and potentially harm my fish. Also, I liked the looks, the fact that I didn't have to rinse it and the fact that it offered some benefit to the plants in the beginning at least. I have been quite happy with it and if I do another tank, I will definitely be looking at getting it again.

I have to admit, I am a little jealous, I would like a 125 gallon tank as well but as of now, I do not have the room for it. I don't want my tank to fall into the basement either. ha ha

I do think you should go with a planted tank, and I don't think you will be disappointed in that choice unless you chose to go with cichlids for your fish stock. I think plants and wood give the tank a nice natural, calming effect. I have been very pleased with that as well.

I can't wait to see your tank once you commit to a size and all. :) Good Luck to you. What a fun position to be in. Another idea for tank stands is to look at some of the resale shops. I have seen quite a number of decent stands for fish tanks. Maybe not for a 125 but I have seen a few for 75 gallon tanks.
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Sorry, I just caught this post. A pH of 7.0 doesn't mean you have to give up on your Angels. There are a number of ways to naturally lower pH. My pH usually sits at 7.0 but with the addition of natural malaysian driftwood, it has naturally lowered to 6.6-6.8, which is perfect for Angels. It happened rather quickly as well. My 120g is 6 feet long, but from my understanding most 120g are 5 feet. I guess I got a 120g "long". Thanks Craigslist!

I have 2 Angels who just happen to be male and female AND just happen to pair up. As Byron stated, I do not separate my Angels from my community tank as I was not intending to breed them. My Angels do get aggressive during spawning and chase all fish away that come to close. However, with a 6 foot tank it does not concern me because the rest of the fish know to stay away and still have about 4-5 feet of swimming room when the Angels do spawn (Angels will give chase within a foot or so of their spawning spot). If you did end up with a pair, I personally would rehome the rest and only keep the pair (or maybe rehome the pair and keep the rest if you don't want a breeding pair?). With a 125g that you're considering I would not be to concerned about a pair, if smaller I would be inclined to rehome the pair. Keep in mind that a breeding pair can spawn twice a month.

Just so you know, if you do end up with a breeding pair, not a single fry will ever survive in a community tank. As Byron stated, the parents will eat the fry if threatened and the community fish are very clever at getting between the parents of fry for a feast.
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Sorry, I just caught this post. A pH of 7.0 doesn't mean you have to give up on your Angels. There are a number of ways to naturally lower pH. My pH usually sits at 7.0 but with the addition of natural malaysian driftwood, it has naturally lowered to 6.6-6.8, which is perfect for Angels. It happened rather quickly as well. My 120g is 6 feet long, but from my understanding most 120g are 5 feet. I guess I got a 120g "long". Thanks Craigslist!

I have 2 Angels who just happen to be male and female AND just happen to pair up. As Byron stated, I do not separate my Angels from my community tank as I was not intending to breed them. My Angels do get aggressive during spawning and chase all fish away that come to close. However, with a 6 foot tank it does not concern me because the rest of the fish know to stay away and still have about 4-5 feet of swimming room when the Angels do spawn (Angels will give chase within a foot or so of their spawning spot). If you did end up with a pair, I personally would rehome the rest and only keep the pair (or maybe rehome the pair and keep the rest if you don't want a breeding pair?). With a 125g that you're considering I would not be to concerned about a pair, if smaller I would be inclined to rehome the pair. Keep in mind that a breeding pair can spawn twice a month.

Just so you know, if you do end up with a breeding pair, not a single fry will ever survive in a community tank. As Byron stated, the parents will eat the fry if threatened and the community fish are very clever at getting between the parents of fry for a feast.
Thanks for the info Lisa.

It's been a couple months but I'm back and still planning this all out. I'm anxious to start, but have learned patience I supose from my 19 month old daughter

Tanks are 20% off at Petsmart for a couple weeks ... really tempted to take the plunge. They no longer have a 125 (or the 150) though. They DO have a 120 however, it's a 4 foot tank (roughly 4'x2'x2').

For stand I think I'll make my own. The cost is about the same, but mine would be much stronger and not be made entirely out of laminated particle board, but instead a pine frame with oak paneling and trim. I've made a thread about it on the DIY board.

I have a slight problem though with flooring, we bought our house last year and everything is carpeted, even the dinning room. I personally like carpet, but this stuff is old, worn and needs to go. Plus carpeting should never be placed in a dinning room. The dinning room is also where we plan to put the tank, it is one of the two locations that has room along a load bearing wall, and the dinning room gets less sunlight than the living room (the other possible location) so we'll go with that to help control algae. Under the carpet is hardwood floors, but they are painted. Stripping the paint and resurfacing requires the windows to be opened for a few days which isn't possible this year, it's already dropping to the 30's at night outside.

So... back on topic with Angels. I'm torn, the tank would only be 4' leaving less room for the others if I happened to get a mating pair. Seems like it has the potential to be a bit of a problem. I had planned on doing some driftwood, so I guess I would have to wait and see what happens with the pH before getting any angels. Are they better in larger groups, or can you get 2 or 3 and they be fine? I figure lower the number, lower the chance of a mating pair...
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post #26 of 26 Old 11-08-2010, 12:51 PM
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Unless you definitely acquire a pair, angels should be in a group of 5-6 minimum. Two or three is not advisable since one male will be dominant and the others, if males, will be picked on perhaps to death. A group of 5 or more spreads out the aggressive behaviour (which is normal). And, the entire group should be acquired together; adding a fish or two later to an existing group is asking for trouble, as the dominant in the existing group will regard the newcomers as intruders. This will stress out the other fish at the very least, but may well cause death.

Cichlids are very different fish from characins, rasbora, etc., and must be handled differently.

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The aquarist is one who must learn the ways of the biologist, the chemist, and the veterinarian. [unknown source]

Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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