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post #21 of 39 Old 03-26-2012, 12:44 PM
I agree with gwen and bryon.

We all have our own ways of doing things. What works for one may not work for others. Its as simple as that. IMO there are very very very few rules in this hobby set in stone. This is a forum after all and it is a place to share our experiences. I personally view nitrates as pretty much non-issue.

But what do I know lol. I overstock, under filter, over fertilize, turn off filters at night, never clean tanks, rarely clean filters, never test, and some other things.... My fish must hate me.

.... I'm probably drunk.

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post #22 of 39 Old 03-26-2012, 01:04 PM Thread Starter
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Water changes remove stuff that filters cannot: pheromones, dissolved waste, urine, allelopathic chemicals, etc. Plants will handle most of these if there are enough plants and a low fish load per volume, but most of us stock our tanks beyond this capacity.
i AGREE enough said

and as we have all established my rough explanation's on the water chemistry is all wrong by definition
however would also be very beneficial to any novice with little if any understanding.

NOT ADEPT KEEPERS WHO HAVE ALREADY NO PROBLEMS with how they do things

i am very easy to misunderstand

because i have epic problems getting things that are in my head out on paper or any kind of text
even to close similarity to my actual thoughts
this is due to my Dyspraxia

and also the reason i get very frustrated when i know what i want to say but can never spit the words out correctly

i do not mean to be rude in anyway to anyone it is not in my nature and would like you ALL to understand that this is mainly frustration with my struggles.

all my apologies
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i agree with gwen and bryon.

We all have our own ways of doing things. What works for one may not work for others. Its as simple as that. Imo there are very very very few rules in this hobby set in stone. This is a forum after all and it is a place to share our experiences. I personally view nitrates as pretty much non-issue.

But what do i know lol. I overstock, under filter, over fertilize, turn off filters at night, never clean tanks, rarely clean filters, never test, and some other things.... My fish must hate me.
well said
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In my heat of the moment last time I forgot to welcome you to TFK forum. I'm glad you joined us. You will be in good company with experience here, the members who have contributed to this thread alone have a vast wealth of that, individually and collectively.

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Dang, I had a whole post written out and it got lost...

I'll write a shortened version, and leave it to you to use google or ask if there are any questions.

Diana Walstad is the only 'guru' that I've heard (okay, read. She wrote 'Ecology of the Planted Aquarium') that claimed water changes are only neccesary every 6-12 months. Planted tanks with soil have some special conditions though, and that's the method she encourages. There is some bacteria that will remove nitrates, but they only thrive where oxygen is absent (such as in the substrate). They're called Denitrifying bacteria. If you encourage anaerobic condions though, they can turn on you. instead of converting H2O and Nitrates into Nitrogen Gas + CO2, they can begin making hydrogen sulfide- a poison way more toxic than ammonia or nitrite.

High oxygen and light *could* lead to more algae, which could lower nitrates and other nitrogenous chemicals... but I feel like it's a bit of a stretch, no offense. I've never really heard of UV filters affecting nitrogen chemicals at all.

I agree with Mikaila- There are very few 'rules' in this hobby.. I feel like as long as your ammonia and nitrites are 0, your tank's not overstocked, and Ph and nitrates are reasonable, keep doing whatever you're doing.

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Dang, I had a whole post written out and it got lost...

I'll write a shortened version, and leave it to you to use google or ask if there are any questions.

Diana Walstad is the only 'guru' that I've heard (okay, read. She wrote 'Ecology of the Planted Aquarium') that claimed water changes are only neccesary every 6-12 months. Planted tanks with soil have some special conditions though, and that's the method she encourages. There is some bacteria that will remove nitrates, but they only thrive where oxygen is absent (such as in the substrate). They're called Denitrifying bacteria. If you encourage anaerobic condions though, they can turn on you. instead of converting H2O and Nitrates into Nitrogen Gas + CO2, they can begin making hydrogen sulfide- a poison way more toxic than ammonia or nitrite.

High oxygen and light *could* lead to more algae, which could lower nitrates and other nitrogenous chemicals... but I feel like it's a bit of a stretch, no offense. I've never really heard of UV filters affecting nitrogen chemicals at all.

I agree with Mikaila- There are very few 'rules' in this hobby.. I feel like as long as your ammonia and nitrites are 0, your tank's not overstocked, and Ph and nitrates are reasonable, keep doing whatever you're doing.

Welcome to the forum!
in fact you have reminded me with one of my biggest tip for my way of things and this is i use a hell of a lot of gravel
which will help

i use about 3 inch's of gravel if not using subtrate if i do i will just add the gravel untill it lot combined reaches the 3 inch level i bank i back so at the very front i only have the thinnest layer and steeply bank it so that more than half of the tank is covered by a 3 inch covering
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i AGREE enough said

and as we have all established my rough explanation's on the water chemistry is all wrong by definition
however would also be very beneficial to any novice with little if any understanding.

NOT ADEPT KEEPERS WHO HAVE ALREADY NO PROBLEMS with how they do things

i am very easy to misunderstand

because i have epic problems getting things that are in my head out on paper or any kind of text
even to close similarity to my actual thoughts
this is due to my Dyspraxia

and also the reason i get very frustrated when i know what i want to say but can never spit the words out correctly

i do not mean to be rude in anyway to anyone it is not in my nature and would like you ALL to understand that this is mainly frustration with my struggles.

all my apologies
No worries here. Thank you for pointing out that you have an issue that sometimes prevents you from getting your thoughts across the way that you mean to convey them.

It's sometimes hard to decipher what any of us are trying to express when it's typed out and not face to face or in a group setting.

You'll find a community of understanding and respectful people here at TFK and we're glad you joined us.

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in fact you have reminded me with one of my biggest tip for my way of things and this is i use a hell of a lot of gravel
which will help

i use about 3 inch's of gravel if not using subtrate if i do i will just add the gravel untill it lot combined reaches the 3 inch level i bank i back so at the very front i only have the thinnest layer and steeply bank it so that more than half of the tank is covered by a 3 inch covering
Not sure if 3 inches is a lot.. Most everyone uses at least 2-3 inches. 4+ inches puts you into deep sand bed territory, which can work in freshwater...
Just wanted to mention one more thing.. What kind of fish do you have? Many calm 'forest fish' can become stressed out if there's a lot of water current.

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post #29 of 39 Old 03-26-2012, 04:29 PM
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In light of the fact I have not mentioned it you.

Welcome, (as other members have stated) to TFK.
As the saying goes, "you learn something new everyday", the vast wealth of knowledge on here and helpful articles as well as members postings, will hopefully strive towards everyones goal of a happy environment for their chosen species of our aquatic friends.

Look forward to your contributions and thoughts as you post on the forums here.

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Sorry I did not realize you were a new member either, Welcome, as you can see you will get a wide variety of ideas here that are all meant to help guide one's interest in the hobby. For many it is trial and error, because of the vastly different setups that exist there are many different ways to care for them.

But in the future when someone states a" fact" in capital letters we expect some proof of documentation.

OK group hug. lol
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