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Old 03-26-2012, 06:50 AM   #11
 
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Interesting to say the least. Even if it's as you say madyotto, there is a lot to be said about clean water and the health of fish. It can only benefit them and I'd hate to see someone attempt what you're doing with disastrous results.
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:07 AM   #12
 
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it is a documented fact that extra light strength and extra air will help to kill nitrates
please provide link to this documentation
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:32 AM   #13
 
right ALL THIS IS VERY SIMPLE indeed

weather you all agree or not

IT IS FACT

i was wrong on air removing NITRATES yes confusion with Nitrites
however light has a huge part in this
try adding a uv light unit and see nitrate levels after a month or so then come back and tell me im right

IT IS FACT (< by fact i mean i have seen with my own eyes)AND TAZMAN again try to read before posting (as stated bellow)

I HAVE KEPT planted and un-planted tanks in this was

I have also kept non planted and with no substrate other than gravel

YOU ALL expect me not to get defensive when you are all CALLING ME A LIRE

i speak from experience NOT BOOKS AND GOOGLE

the 180 gallon tank we had housed some very tricky fish to keep
MANY 90% of you would say couldn't live together

however we never had any of these fish being violent to others

you can all argue as much as you like what i have posted is all FACT

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Not to mention when you add fresh water you are also adding nutrients for your plants

WELL if this is the case my plants have always thrived not just got by
AGAIN i have already stated this

i will not reply to any post's from now on unless someone is actually asking questions about how to removed extra NITRATES and then they will actually learn something instead of jumping on the band wagon when none of you have experienced this at

IF you are all so good how come you have to do water changes when i never had to do this

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Interesting to say the least. Even if it's as you say madyotto, there is a lot to be said about clean water and the health of fish. It can only benefit them and I'd hate to see someone attempt what you're doing with disastrous results.

how would this happen /\ i stated you should test water often and water change if the very strick parameters are not met then change some water

like i said before also explain how we bred the some of the very best molly's and loach in the north of the UK.
and all from a 180 gallon tank
other than a few liters used to wash the filter media every week had no water changed in 12 years

now these fry where not just getting by or in good nick but they where requested by many preferred placed to by them from and at a more expensive price than any other fish farm

also these baby's wouldn't of grown bigger than any other of it's breed for being unhealthy now would they

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Old 03-26-2012, 08:40 AM   #14
 
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YOU ALL expect me not to get defensive when you are all CALLING ME A LIRE
It's because you come in out of the blue and contradict decades worth of scientists that have spent their life studying this subject and offer no proof to back your claims other than "because I say so".

If you are right, then publish a paper in scientific journals, write a book, and commercialize your idea.

Until then, I'll stick with what has been proven by science.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:01 AM   #15
 
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It's because you come in out of the blue and contradict decades worth of scientists that have spent their life studying this subject and offer no proof to back your claims other than "because I say so".

If you are right, then publish a paper in scientific journals, write a book, and commercialize your idea.

Until then, I'll stick with what has been proven by science.
i agree we all take on a great responsibly to the fish we keep


however none of you seem to see the bigger picture that i was painting

i stated i only know from experience and yes
as a result some of what i posted is in-correct explained poorly ETC

yet this will aid the understanding of those who have little understanding of water chemistry

evidently i don't and never have

if my chemistry was wrong i doubt that i would have Apple Snail eggs in my tank right now

the picture i was painting is VERY SIMPLE


THAT all but most keepers do changes as PART OF there routine

and not the routine OF THERE water chemistry

telling people to do weekly or monthly changes leave those with the right conditions and water chemistry causing un-needed stress

water change with no water chemistry improvement is un-needed stress

so much as putting your hand in the tank is stressful to them

and the main cause for many beginner's having a nitrate spike is as we all know over feeding

but by encouraging others (where possible) to create an environment that can handle nitrates quite well will only aid there downfalls
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:51 AM   #16
 
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:17 AM   #17
 
lol nice boise.

there are many many ways to run a tank. Many are sucessful methods. I however agree with most the people in this thread. There is a lot of missinformation being stated in this thread. So much so its hard to know where to start or take it seriously.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:38 AM   #18
 
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YOU ALL expect me not to get defensive when you are all CALLING ME A LIRE

Not one person who took the time to read your thread called you a LIAR (I'm sure you meant to say Liar). Please don't go putting words in the mouth of members.

you can all argue as much as you like what i have posted is all FACT

And I see no-one arguing with you here.

i will not reply to any post's from now on unless someone is actually asking questions about how to removed extra NITRATES and then they will actually learn something instead of jumping on the band wagon when none of you have experienced this at

Excellent idea. I don't think this thread is going to remain open much longer anyway if it continues the way it is. You have posted your experiences and opinions here so please allow our members to do the same.
Disagreeing with your methods is not jumping on the band wagon.

IF you are all so good how come you have to do water changes when i never had to do this

Because OUR experience has been that the best way to keep a healty tank is with water change maintenance. We get it that you don't do this.

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Old 03-26-2012, 11:41 AM   #19
 
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lol nice boise.

there are many many ways to run a tank. Many are sucessful methods. I however agree with most the people in this thread. There is a lot of missinformation being stated in this thread. So much so its hard to know where to start or take it seriously.
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So true. We all have to remember, we know very little about others here. We don't know many factors, such as what people think they've learned/heard from what is reality. Perceptions are just that, and may or may not be grounded in reality. Another consideration is how much a person is being "real" or trying to play a joke etc.

I know I won't spend more money on higher wattage/different type of light etc., when science and many years of experience in the hobby has provided the information that water changes are the best way to keep a stable, healthy environment for fish. Light has a part in keeping plants growing, which help the system use ammonia, but plants will only take what they can use.

Debates are fun though - take from it what you will. There are many thinking adults on this site, who can make there own decisions

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Old 03-26-2012, 12:37 PM   #20
 
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A sole comment on water changes. There is nothing we can do in an aquarium that will have more benefit to the fish than a water change. Nitrates is only a part of the issue, and one that shouldn't be present anyway since in a healthy natural system ammonia and nitrite will always be zero (with our test kits) and nitrates will be near zero although various things can influence nitrate. But bear in mind that the majority of aquarium fish come from natural waters with nitrate so low it can scarcely be measured without highly sophisticated scientific equipment. So keeping nitrates close to zero is clearly beneficial to fish. Again, other factors can play into this.

Water changes remove stuff that filters cannot: pheromones, dissolved waste, urine, allelopathic chemicals, etc. Plants will handle most of these if there are enough plants and a low fish load per volume, but most of us stock our tanks beyond this capacity.
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