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Old 03-09-2010, 11:03 AM   #1
 
Upsizing with same filter?

Hi everyone, I just had a quick inquiry about filters with larger tanks.

I currently have a 10 gallon tank with a filter rated for 10-20 gallons.

It looks like I finally got a good bite on a larger tank, its 55 gallons, with a nice stand, and I'm even seeing if they'll throw in the hood and accessories, at the moment though, just the tank and stand will be mine for $20!


My guestion is, with thiis 55 gallon, would it be just as good to use the 10-20 gallon pump in unison with a 30-40 gallion pump, or would I be that much better off funding something suitable for a 55 gallon tank?

I also just out of curiosity wonder if there is any way I can make use of a pump I have,
I have an Iwaki MD30RT(I believe it was the rt, it has threaded inlet/outlet)

I don't know if it would be possible to use this with a canister as a good filtering system, and also, I am EXTREMELY wary of doing this, as it was used basically with anti-freeze for a cooling project, so no matter how much I cleaned it I would be terrified of using it unless it was advised by someone who might now.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:14 AM   #2
 
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Hi everyone, I just had a quick inquiry about filters with larger tanks.

I currently have a 10 gallon tank with a filter rated for 10-20 gallons.

It looks like I finally got a good bite on a larger tank, its 55 gallons, with a nice stand, and I'm even seeing if they'll throw in the hood and accessories, at the moment though, just the tank and stand will be mine for $20!


My guestion is, with thiis 55 gallon, would it be just as good to use the 10-20 gallon pump in unison with a 30-40 gallion pump, or would I be that much better off funding something suitable for a 55 gallon tank?

I also just out of curiosity wonder if there is any way I can make use of a pump I have,
I have an Iwaki MD30RT(I believe it was the rt, it has threaded inlet/outlet)

I don't know if it would be possible to use this with a canister as a good filtering system, and also, I am EXTREMELY wary of doing this, as it was used basically with anti-freeze for a cooling project, so no matter how much I cleaned it I would be terrified of using it unless it was advised by someone who might now.

Were it me, I wouldn't use the pump. Glycol or antifreeze residue would be quite difficult to clean sufficiently to make it safe.
I would get a filter rated for the 55 gal and run both the new filter, and the filter from the ten gal together on the new/used 55 gal. This would allow you to place a few small fish into the 55 gal once you got it cleaned and set up with heater ,filter, and determined that no leaks were present.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:18 AM   #3
 
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Were it me, I wouldn't use the pump. Glycol or antifreeze residue would be quite difficult to clean sufficiently to make it safe.
I would get a filter rated for the 55 gal and run both the new filter, and the filter from the ten gal together on the new/used 55 gal. This would allow you to place a few small fish into the 55 gal once you got it cleaned and set up with heater ,filter, and determined that no leaks were present.
Is there a reason to use my old pump with the new properly-sized pump?
Or is it just for the sake of bacteria and the cycle?
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Old 03-09-2010, 01:05 PM   #4
 
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I also wouldn't use the anti freeze one for the sake of safety. I'd use the old filter pad and 'wash 'it out in the new tank to seed it and then put your filter back on your 10g since you'll need a filter there anyway and find yourself a workable filter for the new 55g (Personally I'd only use a canister in this size tank).

If you want a canister filter that will work well for a 55g (Rena XP2) just shoot me a PM I got plenty extra stuff around here I need to get selling anyway
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:38 AM   #5
 
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Is there a reason to use my old pump with the new properly-sized pump?
Or is it just for the sake of bacteria and the cycle?
Pumps and filters are two different things in my mind. Yes ,my suggestion of using the filter from the ten along with new filter for the 55 gal is for the sake of bacteria that would help seed the new filter with same.
If you plan on keeping fish in the ten gal, (Quarantine) then I would do as Angel suggested and remove some filter material from the filter on the ten gal and either place it in new filter for the 55 gal or wash the filter material out in the 55 gal and squeeze the material out and into the filter of the 55 gal.
I have found that placing the material directly in the new filter often works better than squeezing the material out into new tanks.
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:28 AM   #6
 
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I think it's a good idea to move the filter to the new tank and just leave it there, side-by-side with a second filter. For a 55g tank housing goldfish, something like an Emperor 280 or Penguin 350 wouldn't hurt. I don't think you need a canister on the tank since it's going to house goldfish (canister filters are only really "necessary" in planted tanks or in tanks you otherwise really need to control the water flow in, which is not your case). In case one filter dies you've got a second one running, which is always nice to have if you ask me.

Edit: I just found out that you might be rehoming the goldfish and getting something else? If you are then that changes things a bit. You might not need a ton of filtration if you get smaller, less messy fish. Plus, if you're getting something else the possibility exists for a planted tank, in which case a canister filter would definitely be a good idea.

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Old 03-10-2010, 09:55 AM   #7
 
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I think it's a good idea to move the filter to the new tank and just leave it there, side-by-side with a second filter. For a 55g tank housing goldfish, something like an Emperor 280 or Penguin 350 wouldn't hurt. I don't think you need a canister on the tank since it's going to house goldfish (canister filters are only really "necessary" in planted tanks or in tanks you otherwise really need to control the water flow in, which is not your case). In case one filter dies you've got a second one running, which is always nice to have if you ask me.

Edit: I just found out that you might be rehoming the goldfish and getting something else? If you are then that changes things a bit. You might not need a ton of filtration if you get smaller, less messy fish. Plus, if you're getting something else the possibility exists for a planted tank, in which case a canister filter would definitely be a good idea.
Well, right now everything is going to be coming in strides, It'll probably be a month or so before I really can do anything, even if I don't end up getting that 55 gallon this weekend, before I start this all up again I will want to get at least a 55 gallon.

I ideally would like to have a planted tank, so canister may be the way to go, but with our without planted it will be a project I prepare everything for beforehand once I have at least 1-300 dollars to put into it.
Hopefully it doesnt end up being that expensive, but I'd like to know if I mess something up like this one, I'll still have some leeway in my budget.

When I do set everything up, I'm ideally thinking to maybe get some very small schooling fish, and a small amount of medium sized fish(under 4 inches anyway) so I'll be doing alot of fiendish digging online for fish that are compatible, easy to take care of, able to stay in the size tank I get for a very long time, and so on and so forth.

I feel bad bringing these poor goldfish back to the store to be put into a one gallon bowl in their next home, but at the same time I'm just hoping they get taken care of properly when they do go.

I'm going to be waiting a few more days continuing my daily water changed on the ten gallon tank just in case i do manage to get ahold of another 50 dollars or so, since if I can at least get that 55 gallon tank and a good filter I can take care of them for awhile, but it looks like my and their best bet is to just bring them back to hope someone who can do things right raises them.


I appreciate all the help I've gotten here!
If it wasn't for you guys, none of these goldfish would have made it through the first few days!

Thanks for everything,
Anthony
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:54 PM   #8
 
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I have a 55 gal. tank. The tank I got was from Walmart I payed about $124 for the complete set up without a heater. Now I think it is about $164 for the same tank. I was told to get a bigger filter then what the tank came with. You can't go wrong with a better filter. I bought a filter for a 75 gal. tank. I ordered it on drsfostersmith. It's a Doctors Foster and smith Bio system power filter & Oxy Surface skimmer. It has 4 filter cartridges but I put all the bio sponges in front and put 2 carbon cartridges in back or you can use 4 cartridges and rotate put the old ones in front with the bio sponge and a new cartridge in back to save money every month. I had a problem with the surface skimmer sucking up some small fish so I took that thing off. I payed about $26.19 for that filter and the filter cartridges are $12.69 for a 24 pack so if you only use 2 cartridges or rotate them thats for a whole year. I like this filter as it is quiet and it has a dial that you can turn the filter power on low or high. I put a netting over the intake so any baby fish don't get sucked inside.

I have pool filter sand as the substrate. I bought this at a pool supply place for 50lbs for $11.99. I have solid black background and all low light live plants. Java fern, dwarf sagittaria, cryptocoryne wendii red, java moss rocks, vallisneria straight and spiral looks like kelp and grows like it,anacharis, sword plant,you can get this stuff called Flourish Iron or Flourish Excel instead of using expensive Co2. It works really well. Black background and pool filter sand really shows off the plants in the tank and the fish that are colorful really show up well. I only have 2 15 W aquarium bulbs in the hood but have everything on a timer. Lights on at 12pm- off at 9pm.

I have a community tank. These are the fish I have in it now. 2 Angelfish, 2 Boesmani Rainbow fish,2 short fin brown busynosed Plecos these are great vacuume cleaners for your tank. They eat algae, and left over food and are neat looking and stay small between 3-5" and will not get any bigger. If you buy these get a baby one as they grow slowly and can live to be 12 years old with proper care. I have bushynosed plecos in all my smaller tanks also.I have 6 Harleqen Rasboras, 2 Bumble Bee Platies, 11 Von Rio Congo Tetras, 12 Assassin snails. My angelfish are still babies but will get to be about 6-7" when full grown. If you get angelfish get them as babies so they grow up with the other smaller fish. Yes they do have personalitys. So when you get them watch them at the fish store and pick out the mellow ones over the mean ones. Mine are always in the front of the tank and follow you around when you pass the tank.

Good luck on getting your 55 gal. up and running and stocked with your favorite fish. Try craigslist in your area for used filter and supplies. I joined a Tropical Fish society that meets once a month and has mini auctions before each meeting and this place has cheap fish, plants and aquarium supplies. You can find one in your area you live at on-line.
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