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Up at 5am.. to water all over the floor.
Old 09-09-2011, 12:00 PM   #11
 
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This is my second planted tank. Im sure I'll have many more now since Ive got the bug. :P

As far as I know the tank is level. I have another tank in an adjacent room with no issues. Im hoping it was just a defect in the glass and I wont have a repeat.

Im soaking the plants and wood in my old tank water (since I had plenty! :) ). Gonna get it re-setup tonight and get them put back in the tank tonight.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:04 PM   #12
 
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Ditto on the level, but make certain you check the support underneath for level. If there is even a slight wave or dip to your aquarium stand's surface, it can cause torque in the sheet of glass and crack the glass like that. It's an odd way for a tank to crack.

I'm assuming the tank doesn't normally sit on the towel(?). If it does no problem, but never, ever, be tempted to slide the tank even "just a little" if there is any weight in the tank at all.

Had a 29 fail at the bottom seam a few months back, but the tank was 20+ years old and I had never re-caulked the seals. Totally my fault, but it was a lot of water to wet vac.

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Old 09-09-2011, 12:10 PM   #13
 
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It does sit on the towel but I haven't tried to move it. Its just down there to protect the wood underneath from drips.

My house is an older house that Im renting. It is possible it may be slightly un-level. Ive never checked but It wasn't something that I noticed when I filled up the tank. (the water being not level)

If it isn't completely level, what can I do?
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:41 PM   #14
 
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It does sit on the towel but I haven't tried to move it. Its just down there to protect the wood underneath from drips.

My house is an older house that Im renting. It is possible it may be slightly un-level. Ive never checked but It wasn't something that I noticed when I filled up the tank. (the water being not level)

If it isn't completely level, what can I do?
older houses are notorious for having uneven floors. check the level of your base and if it's uneven, you're going to have to shim underneath the base until it is level before you put the tank on it.

i had the same thing happen to me with my 45 gal. hex in an old house. i didn't think about checking the level until the tank was full and there was about 1/4" difference at the top of the water line. it wasn't noticable until the tank was full.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:56 PM   #15
 
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It does sit on the towel but I haven't tried to move it. Its just down there to protect the wood underneath from drips.

My house is an older house that Im renting. It is possible it may be slightly un-level. Ive never checked but It wasn't something that I noticed when I filled up the tank. (the water being not level)

If it isn't completely level, what can I do?
First, don't worry about it until you can verify that the tank's support is not actually level.
Buy or borrow a 4' level and see if your tank's stand is level. Then, check the floor underneath for level. Sometimes a stand seems level, but will flex with the tank + water weight it if the floor is not level and this can transfer that torque to the tank. Don't just look at the level's bubble, look along the level's edge to see if the surface dips or rises along the edge of your level. If you see a gap anywhere along the edge of the level, the surface is not even. I have an uneven floor upstairs and my house is not particularly old, just poorly constructed! I use adjustable feet (rated for a lot of weight!) on my steel 55g tank stand to compensate for my non-level floor.

If the substrate (the substrate under the tank ) is not level, then another option is to use a sturdy piece of material for the tank to sit on that is level. You can actually ue small shims to get it exactly level, but make sure it's a thick, strong piece of material that resists warping over time. I'm going to use a 32"x18"x2" piece of laminated countertop material under a tank that I'm putting on a stand. The stand is actually too small, but once I mount this thick piece of material onto the stand, I'm hoping it will work. I have read of some folks using some thick (dense) foam/rubber material under tanks that helps fill any voids and level the tank, but I don't have any experience with that.

Again, don't worry about stand or floor issues until you can verify any problems. It could simply be a bad tank. It happens. If something was major out-of-level, you would have noticed it via the tank's waterline being off.

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Old 09-09-2011, 01:06 PM   #16
 
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First, don't worry about it until you can verify that the tank's support is not actually level.

Again, don't worry about stand or floor issues until you can verify any problems. It could simply be a bad tank. It happens. If something was major out-of-level, you would have noticed it via the tank's waterline being off.

Agree wholeheartedly. It doesn't seem likely that it would have cracked that quickly from not being level but since they're setting it all up again anyway.... why take any chances.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:12 PM   #17
 
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Thanks guys for the help.

Im going to borrow a level and check tonight when I get home from work. I am hoping it was just a bad tank.. since like I said, I have another tank in an adjacent room and it is fully stocked and planted. :O

It was an old reef tank and its a 34g..but it is MUCH heavier than the 29g. Im thinking the glass may be thicker...if my floors are uneven, maybe this is why I havent had issues with the other tank?
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:48 PM   #18
 
Jbrofish8 - I'm sorry to hear of your (for lack of a better expression) 'bad luck'. Glad to hear the store will replace it with no hassle so this is all just an unfortunate little 'bump in the road'.

I'm finding this whole question of tank levelness kindof interesting. In this regard, I would think that the weakest part of a tank is where it's glued together with silicone, not the glass itself. So if we had adverse applied forces due to the tank being slightly unlevel, I'd think it shoulda popped a seam, rather than crack the glass???
I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud here.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:55 PM   #19
 
the physics and math behind this problem are very complicated and there are a lot of variables. depending on any pre-existing flaws in the glass, the amount of pressure and where it was located, as well as the exact angle of it can all affect it. i have to think, though, that i would be more concerned about an uneven base than an unlevel one. if it is touching on both ends but not in the middle, or vis versa, i can see there being a lot of stress on the glass.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:59 PM   #20
 
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The base is definitely even. The tank didn't wiggle at all and there were no space underneath it in the middle either. Is that what you meant? All these angles and stuff can get slightly confusing at time. :P
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